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Naledi
05/21/18 08:16 pm
Aragorn can't join - by emotionally blackmailing Legolas to accompany him on the Paths of the Dead, he's firmly on my blacklist!
cheekybeak
05/21/18 08:03 pm
SPCL? Society for prevention of cruelty to Legolas? RSPCL if Aragorn joins!
Naledi
05/21/18 06:02 pm
Yay, Nelya! We can be founder members of SACL. I tried to think of something with a better acronym - I'm open to suggestions!
NelyafinweFeanorion
05/21/18 03:25 pm
Naledi I'm with you on the Society Against Cruelty to Legolas (SACL)!! ;-) but who are we kidding--we read it all and love it anyway, despite the misadventures of our dear Elf!
Spiced Wine
05/20/18 10:38 am
I think it’s a sensible choice. Aragorn has a large backstory going back many years, so it was always going to be one of their first choices.
NelyafinweFeanorion
05/20/18 05:43 am
It's an expensive gamble they have taken--they have to nail this first season. Also the TolkienEstate is far more involved in this one I hear.
Formegil
05/20/18 05:31 am
A quite big "if", I'd say. Just look what mess was made out of the Hobbit movie. Nowadays I tend to be a bit cynical. So I say the series is good if it will be at least not cringeworthy.
NelyafinweFeanorion
05/20/18 04:49 am
As well as Elladan and Elrohir and the Rangers of the North. It could be a hit if done right. Plus the Arwen love interest.
NelyafinweFeanorion
05/20/18 04:48 am
I am actually relieved the Amazon series is starting with young Aragorn. There is much canon content to work with, he's a familiar character and chance to see Glorfindel, Gilraen
NelyafinweFeanorion
05/20/18 04:47 am
And that's how they learn about the weaknesses of dragons! From the little guy Aegnor adopted.
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Title: ~ Fragments of Fate And Fire ~ by Spiced Wine
Rated: Mature [Reviews - 96]
Summary:

This will be a collection of fics, commissioned art, and gapfillers to flesh out events within my Dark Prince/Magnificat 'verse.
All will mesh with I Will Lead And Thou Shalt Follow, the pre-Third Age chapters of Dark Prince and Magnificat of the Damned.


They will not necessarily be in chronological order.




Category: Fiction
Characters: Balrog, Celegorm, Fëanor, Finarfin, Fingolfin, Fingon, Finrod, Gil-galad, Glorfindel, Ingwë, Maedhros, Maglor, Melkor/Morgoth, OMC, Sauron
Content: Angst, AU, Drama, Erotica, Incest, Rape/Non-con, Slash
Challenge: None
Series: None
Chapters: 38 | Completed: No | Word count: 30769 | Read count: 63942

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Published: July 05, 2011 | Updated: April 30, 2018


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Date: September 18, 2016 Title: Chapter 6: Chapter 6 ~ Fire Touching Fire ~

Hi! It's been a really really long time since I last read your stories (back when my english was too shitty to review) so of course I decided to start in the middle of nowhere.

“Yet there is a darkness here, children!”

Darkness? No, really? Who released Melkor? I wonder if thou didst truly believe he was changed. I do wonder...Art thou obtuse?

Ah ah I almost heard Fëanor speaking.

Ingwë, who outranked even Finwë, wore a diadem of sapphires that were put to shame by cobalt-blue eyes. A pity that he should be as vacuous as he was stunning.

Poor Ingwë looks somewhat lobotomized. I wonder if Manwë is addictive somehow, and once you get the habit of sitting at his feet, it's like receiving some very strong drugs you cannot live without.

Some extremely salacious tales were whispered of Fëanáro's third-born, and his father believed them. It was even rumored that he had seduced Oromë. Well, Oromë was certainly very different to his brethren, with his wild eyes, braided hair and hunter's garb of doeskin. Very different indeed, if the tale held any truth.

I have a lot of Oromë feels nowadays. Did you write some Celegorm/Oromë somewhere? I don't remember reading some from you but that would definitly be interesting.

Manwë makes all natural human desires sound vile, filthy appetite of crooked minds. Fëanáro lifted his chin, stared all the depth of his scorn at the Elder King and took Macalaurë's other hand in a firm clasp. He does not know, cannot imagine, the glory of it.

Manwë is so often represented in fanfictions as someone who doesn't like sex that I wonder if Varda isn't some really dangerous mantis in bed. Stars, afterall, are fire, and fire consums air. Manwë should definitly have sent her back to Melkor.



Author's Response: Hi, Kalendeer, thank you for commenting :)

Poor Ingwë looks somewhat lobotomized. I wonder if Manwë is addictive somehow, and once you get the habit of sitting at his feet, it's like receiving some very strong drugs you cannot live without.

It's the miasma that the Valar emit - in my 'verse, it flows from them to the Elves and 'deadens' them, hence the stories that they lose interest in sex, etc. The Valar just want the Elves to be their toys and servants. There were some it did not effect, Fëanor and all those he touched being one of them. But the Vanyar, who lived closest were the most affected. Poor Ingwë - he does break free of his chains though.

I have a lot of Oromë feels nowadays. Did you write some Celegorm/Oromë somewhere? I don't remember reading some from you but that would definitly be interesting.

I've only written Oromë a couple of times in 'Magnificat'. Once when he talked to Finrod after Finrod's death and again when he helped Finrod when the Valar engaged him in a 'Song of Power; like Sauron did (Magnificat II I think) But I haven't written Celegorm/Oromë, no. He's one of the Valar I don't mind, and envision him fighting with the Elves when Fëanor takes war to Valinor in later Ages. I do envisage Oromë and Celegorm having a sexual relationship, but I honestly can't be arsed to write it, because I pair the house of Finwë with the House of Finwë and Celegorm has a thing for Finrod.

Manwë is so often represented in fanfictions as someone who doesn't like sex that I wonder if Varda isn't some really dangerous mantis in bed. Stars, afterall, are fire, and fire consums air. Manwë should definitly have sent her back to Melkor.

I cannot stand Manwë, nor Varda nor Námo and the rest bore me, save Irmo and Oromë (Not Melkpr of course; he's interesting) But I don't see any of them having sex at all, not since very early times. In this 'verse Melkor did have all of them way back, and even when he was imprisoned, but none of them had real sex-lives. And they wanted to impose their sexlessness on the Elves. The Valar can't have children after all, and their view was sex was only for the begtting of children; that was its only purpose. They're not human, they're basically aliens in this 'verse, from 'the Outisde'. The Maia are not, they were spirits of stars and water and tree and earth who the Valar enslaved long ago.



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: September 18, 2016 Title: Chapter 7: Chapter 7 ~ Wild Strawberries ~

I liked Finrod's obsession with Tol Sirion and the way they talk about what happened there: as if not everything is known and the island is, truly, a place of dread and mysteries, far more than if they knew for sure. It is horrific and eery and very well done.

Your Celegorm is a delight. Both predatory and caring.



Author's Response: the island is, truly, a place of dread and mysteries, far more than if they knew for sure. It is horrific and eery and very well done.

They didn't know once Sauron had made it his base. I'm glad it felt eerie :)

Your Celegorm is a delight. Both predatory and caring.

Thank you :)



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: September 18, 2016 Title: Chapter 12: Chapter 12 ~ Facade ~

He and Anairë were likewise too close, the Laws declared, yet his marriage had been blessed by Varda, presided over by she and Manwë.

Just imagine Maeglin and Idril's children, with that amount of consanguinity they would have been 100% awesome.


I will break them, vowed the hidden watcher, in a fog of icy disgust. Love will become jealousy and hate. I will tear them apart, and curse their souls into darkness. There will be grief and pain, and tears unnumbered. I will set madness in Fëanáro's mind, and doom will crown the Noldor until their very name is gone into the dust of Time.

Who is the watcher? Manwë? Melkor? Irmo perhaps?



Author's Response: Just imagine Maeglin and Idril's children, with that amount of consanguinity they would have been 100% awesome.

I have never thought of those two together, as I don't write het, (I have one story where it's present and had to abandon it because I lost all interest). and Idril bores me, to be honest. In this 'verse, she would never allow Maeglin to keep away from her because the 'crookedness' in him she felt and saw was the fact he preferred men, which she thought was evil. Though I think he would have married her to become Turgon's heir; he did have all the ambition of the House of Finwë. It would have been disastrous though. It was really Glorfindel who obsessed him, but Glorfindel (and Ecthelion) cast his father from Caragdûr, so of course his feelings were all twisted up, and he made himself think he fancied her to deny his feelings (at least when he was young and new to Gondolin).

The watcher was probably Námo. He's the worse, although there's not that much to choose between the 'triad' of Manwë, Varda and Námo.

Thank you, Kalendeer :)



Title: Pursuing with weary feet, the road called life. by Urloth
Rated: Mature [Reviews - 21]
Summary:

Maedhros' suicide takes the Silmaril he bears deep into the embrace of the earth. For the eldar concerned this was the end of the sorry saga. For the silmaril in question it was not.


Category: Fiction
Characters: OFC, OMC
Content: Action/Adventure, Angst, AU, Character Death, Drama, Horror
Challenge: None
Series: Sleeping Amber through Darkened Doorways
Chapters: 5 | Completed: No | Word count: 24364 | Read count: 6068

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Published: November 04, 2011 | Updated: January 25, 2016


Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: August 27, 2016 Title: Chapter 1: Birth ~ A sort of prologue

I don't really know what to say; it is a great opening chapter. I really liked the passage about Fëanor and how the Silmarils were able to feel his thoughts and react to them. And OUTCH Maedhros' death.

I hope to be able to say more for the next one!



Author's Response:

Thank you! :D I am so glad you enjoyed what there is of this! Its one of my oldest fics and I want to go back and clean it up but its so wonderful that someone still likes it!



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: August 31, 2016 Title: Chapter 5: Digressions ~ Many people have many thoughts

I feel like your writing style improved greatly since this fic: in the most recent fics (mostly those with Erevir being born much sooner), it was bit clearer and easier to follow.

I liked the part about Oropher and how he used poor trusting Gil-Galad for his own interests, the context of the Sindar migrating east, other Sindar chosing Galadriel and Celeborn, the Noldor mainly with Gil-Galad (well, at least until Celebrimbor decides to migrate as well). I don't know if you wrote anything else about this migration, or about the Tatyar of Nevrast and Fingolfin's dick moves, but that sounds great as far as world building goes :)



Author's Response:

Thank you very much! I feel that way as well. The first couple of chapters of this make me cringe now at how rought this is, compared to the last chapter which I wrote at the start of this year. Wall of Shadows is set in the same timeline as this fic and the difference is rather immense haha the change in my writing. Though I still can't use a fullstop properly. The Mirifinwe divergent ficlets also have a definite uptick in quality of writing.

I'm glad you read the last chapter and liked it too. Oropher was indeed a prize dick to Gil-Galad and took advantage of him. Oropher gets to show up later. I have full headcanons about the migrations and the Tatyar of Nevrast and Fingolfin's dick moves (and Turgon's dick moves because Turgon is responsible for Nevrast) but have yet to include them in other writing. If you'd like to more know I'd be happy to! (I love world building. My plot structure and other important things tend to suffer because world building gets in the way all the time XD)



Title: The Price of Vengeance I by Encairion
Rated: Explicit [Reviews - 392]
Summary: Feature

A novella of the House of Finwë from the Darkening of Valinor through the end of the First Age.

“Vengeance calls me hence…Yet I am not the only valiant in the valiant people. And have ye not all lost your King? And what else have ye not lost, cooped here in a narrow land between the mountains and the sea? ...Fair shall the end be, though long and hard shall be the road! Say Farwell to bondage! But say farewell also to ease! Say Farwell to the weak! ... Journey light: but bring with you your swords! For we will go further then Oromë, endure longer then Tulkas: we will never turn back from pursuit. After Morgoth to the ends of the Earth! War shall he have and hatred undying!” –Fëanor


Category: Fiction
Characters: Celebrimbor, Celegorm, Curufin, Eöl, Fëanor, Finduilas, Fingolfin, Fingon, Finrod, Gildor, Glorfindel, Gwindor, Idril, Irimë, Maedhros, Maeglin, Maglor, OFC, OMC, Orodreth, Tuor, Túrin
Content: Angst, AU, Character Death, Drama, Dubcon, Explicit Sex, Femmeslash, Het, Incest, Rape/Non-con, Romance, Slash
Challenge: None
Series: The Price of Eternity
Chapters: 86 | Completed: Yes | Word count: 543878 | Read count: 168959

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Published: May 14, 2012 | Updated: July 26, 2017


Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: August 16, 2016 Title: Chapter 32: Intermission: Rage, rage against the dying of the light, Part I

Hi!

I knew there was something about Oromë/Poldorëa in this fic so I went back to it, because of this:

“Has anyone ever written an AU where Finwë remains in Tirion and Fingolfin exiles himself with Fëanor?”

I don’t know, but I want this!  Please!!!!

Well consider this DONE! I have the detailed plot written already and will start working on this once I have finished Sultry in September. Fic will include Fingolfin washing the dishes, avarin cults, Fëanor and compulsive embroidery, a grumpy uncle, necromancy, snow, snuggling, dead babies, the worst wedding ring ever, parties in the wood and everyone angsting.

But I needed to check on the Poldorëa mess first and Oromë.

I like what this chapter gives us because we see how the Valar basically hate each others. In R&U, we mostly see them through Fëanor's eyes and all of them are taken as a whole. They are all evil, threatening, and none of them is expected to be on the elves' side. I didn't feel like the Valar truly cared here, but I liked the fractures in their group and I wonder if Fëanor could have broken this group had he used a less, let's say, frontal approach. I really hope some of the Valar/Maiar will switch side at some point and the final fight will include some Ainur helping Fëanor. I hope Oromë WILL find out about Poldorëa and kick Tulkas's ass out of Arda (since his sister is so fast I guess he kicks would be fairly epic as well). I want Nessa and Oromë to switch sides!

Of course, Oromë and Celegorm would need to talk about what happen between them. I don't think Fëanor will ever get over this, but I wonder about Celegorm, and if they may be able to build some kind of friendship. I wonder if Oromë is even truly conscious of what he did wrong, since the Valar always seem to lack basic understanding of the children, was he even aware that Celegorm was too young? Or that his consent was dubious? Or did he just assume that because Celegorm agreed it was okay?

Did you describe Poldorëa somewhere? From his description's here I think he has black hair and eyes (I used to imagine him with light hair, like Celegorm's, did I understand wrong?). Do you have headcanons about how the blood magic works? I need to reread Eöl's chapters too, I think. Is the magic Eöl is using, and the stag hunt something Oromë made up?

 



Author's Response:

Well consider this DONE! I have the detailed plot written already and will start working on this once I have finished Sultry in September. Fic will include Fingolfin washing the dishes, avarin cults, Fëanor and compulsive embroidery, a grumpy uncle, necromancy, snow, snuggling, dead babies, the worst wedding ring ever, parties in the wood and everyone angsting.

OMG!  I love you!  And, and, and:  Fingolfin washing the dishes, avarin cults, Fëanor and compulsive embroidery, a grumpy uncle, necromancy, snow, snuggling, dead babies, the worst wedding ring ever, parties in the wood and everyone angsting.

YES!  This sounds AWESOME!  I think I might need to set up a shine in worship to this fic lol

“I really hope some of the Valar/Maiar will switch side at some point and the final fight will include some Ainur helping Fëanor. I hope Oromë WILL find out about Poldorëa and kick Tulkas's ass out of Arda (since his sister is so fast I guess he kicks would be fairly epic as well). I want Nessa and Oromë to switch sides!

Oh, this will be a thing, don’t worry!  In fact, among the Maiar it is already a thing in the story :)  As for Orome….he might very well change sides.  I see him as the biggest possibility among the male Valar, but we will see what happens.  It might be that all the Valar have lost too much of themselves over the eons to feel enough to break away from the hive.  By the time the 4th Age rolls around, is there enough left of Orome to take revenge for a murdered love?  Like, I think he’ll still be obsessed with Poldorëa to an extent (as much as a Vala can be at that point in their existence (I think their ability to feel human emotions eroded with time because they never focused on nurturing that potential, and so now they are but a shadow of themselves, and all empathy lost to most of them.  Some few of them still have the ability to feel something beyond their own concerns in the Years of the Trees (but like take Yavanna, she wept over the death of the Trees, but seemed to care nothing for Finwe’s murder.  Her sole concern seemed to be her Trees.  Or even Orome.  It seemed like he formed a relationship with Celegorm, but was it all his own selfish desires?  He saw Poldorëa in Celegorm, did he ever see Celegorm as his own person?  Was it all just a continuation of Orome’s obsession with Poldorëa?)).

“Of course, Oromë and Celegorm would need to talk about what happen between them. I don't think Fëanor will ever get over this, but I wonder about Celegorm, and if they may be able to build some kind of friendship. I wonder if Oromë is even truly conscious of what he did wrong, since the Valar always seem to lack basic understanding of the children, was he even aware that Celegorm was too young? Or that his consent was dubious? Or did he just assume that because Celegorm agreed it was okay?

Orome seemed to cared about Celegorm in the story, at least he said so.  While his inability to see how forming a sexual relationship with an underage boy was not OK might be because he is a Valar and the Valar not only do not understand so many basic things about Elves and Elven nature, they have also never been children themselves, it could also be Orome’s inability to see Celegorm as a person in his own right and not a reflection of Poldorëa.

You are right that Feanor is never going to get over this.  Nor should he, I think.  This is his kid we are talking about who was taken advantage of.  Celegorm may not have understood what was so wrong with what happened at the time, but I think it was something that he never forgot, and after he’d grow into adulthood he came to understand how wrong it had really been.  I think he was the kind of person who would physically attack anyone who touched a child sexually.  He did punch Curufin, and if Curufin hadn’t understood himself that what he’d done to Gildor was wrong, Celegorm wouldn’t have let it go as easily as he did, brother or no.

If Orome does decide to try and join the rebellion then he’s going to find a frosty welcome waiting for him in the Feanorion camp, I think.  That doesn’t mean he won’t, but it’s not going to be a walk in the park for him.  Hum…now I am wondering if maybe, if Orome leaves the hive, I wonder if his latent empathy might start growing again?  Like, what if the Valar’s empathy depletes the longer they spend around each other?  No.  Wait.  That’s wouldn’t work.  The two Valar who spend the most time alone are Morgoth and Ulmo (and I don’ find Ulmo very empathetic, though he’s better then Manwe).

“Did you describe Poldorëa somewhere? From his description's here I think he has black hair and eyes (I used to imagine him with light hair, like Celegorm's, did I understand wrong?).

I can’t remember if I did, and of course you can imagine him anyway you choose :)  If I had to describe him though, I’d say he looked Noldorin.  While Celegorm’s coloring is not the same, his features are very Noldorin (high cheekbones, high nose bridge, fair skin, wide eyes (in comparison to most Teleri)), essentially they look white, whereas Vanyar have features more common amongst African Americans except they are golden (skin/hair), Avari sometimes have dark skin, but the Avari really are a mix of Noldor and Teleri because some of both these kindreds stayed behind (I don’t think any Vanyar did?).  Teleri are quite diverse.  Shore-Teleri have more East Asian features with a lot of silver hair, Sindar are a mix of skin tones and features with generally darker-haired with their ruling family (Thingol & corp) favoring silver hair, Silvan are more of a mix as well (compared to shore-Teleri who don’t have as much diversity within the group) but are generally Native American looking (though there is a mix depending on the tribe, Silvan did, after all, break away from the Teleri main branch.

“Do you have headcanons about how the blood magic works? I need to reread Eöl's chapters too, I think. Is the magic Eöl is using, and the stag hunt something Oromë made up?

I have lots of thoughts about blood magic/the Land.  I can’t remember how much was explained in this chapter, but pretty much, when the 2 Valar’s bodies were slain, their spirits continued on because a Valar cannot fully be killed just because they lose their body (i.e. Sauron after the fall of Numinor.  The 2 Valar could have fashioned new bodies for themselves if they really wanted to go that route, but as we see with Sauron, they are never the same again, and their power is greatly diminished).  The 2 Valar also cannot free themselves from the bounds of the world/return to the Timeless Halls because none of the Valar can.  They gave that up when they choose to come to Arda.  So the 2 Valar are still around, they are still a Power in the world.  Orome, in his desperation/obsession to have Poldorëa back, decided to get the Elves to feed Poldorëa their energy in the hope of Poldorëa returning (again, kinda like Sauron who had to build up his power).  Thus the worship of the Land is born with the Elves making sacrifices to it. Poldorëa however never chooses to make himself a new body.  Instead he and the other Vala have a kind of exchange program going with the Elves.  The Elves give them a sacrifice (which the 2 Vala do like because it does give the strength, and I think they like to remain aware of the world and have some small influence on it) and in exchange the Valar release a little of their Power into the Elf.  The 2 Valar are Valar in the end though, and not Elves, so things can go wrong in this exchange of power and sometimes the Elves are killed for overload, which is why the Elves caution each other about taking too much.

Now we come to the Elves’ belief that when they die their sprits join with the Land.  Of course we see now what is behind the mysterious entity of the Land.  It is no collective of Elven souls giving the living power as the Silvan/Avari believe.  In fact, there is no collective consciousness for the dead Elves to find peace/purpose within in death.  They become unhoused spirits that wander Arda.  Some are more aware then others (it depends on the strength of their will and how much they actually want to be aware of the living world), some are little more now than a whisper in the tree tops.  But for those who are aware, and desiring life once again, we shall see what happens in future chapter! (sorry I am evil to tease like that!)

 

Sorry if this explanation made no sense what-so-ever!  Until I write it in the story, my ideas are not only pretty organic, they are also full of holes lol



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: August 19, 2016 Title: Chapter 32: Intermission: Rage, rage against the dying of the light, Part I

"This is really fascinating!  I am trying to imagine this and….it seems like it would be a spiritual merging?  Like they are connecting on a really deep level, far more intimate then sex, like the very essence of who they are are merging? "

That exactly!

"Ah, I understand now.  For me, I see empathy as the ability to actually feel another’s pain =.  Like if I were to listen to the story of someone’s abuse as a child, if I had sympathy for them, I would feel like that was a sad story, but I don’t feel the same depth of feeling like I do when I am being empathetic.  Someone who is empathetic, to me, is someone who really can think about what it would be like to be walking in the other’s shoes, to really feel another persons’ pain on a deep level.  Of course, this is all just my own view of these two words."

I think it would make Melkor all the more terrifying if he could really feel another persons' pain and just not care at all. I feel a bit the same for Irmo, who should be able to understand quite a lot, but isn't really associated with mercy. Perhaps the Ainur have a way of understanding others' feelings but to still be removed from them? I can totally picture Melkor understanding 90% of Fëanor and then laughing inside like "ah ah ah I'm going to mess you up so hard boy, it's going to be experiment of the year!".

And perhaps Melkor can understands but really likes to inflict pain anyway, so the empathy is working backward: he is able to put himself in most people's shoes, but instead of wanting to make them feel happy he likes to make them miserable instead. IDK, there are so many possibilites for Melkor, choosing one version over the others is always very hard.

"But, wow, reading that about how the Valar view Elves more like animals then equal beings…..I can totally see this.  It makes perfect sense.  It’s also downright horrifying, and makes me uncomfortable to think about to be honest.  Just…I think the captured Elves in Ultumno and the way Melkor picked them apart like insects, and just….I am really disturbed.  But I also really want to write a story on this too.  (There is that quote about how we should write what disturbs us that I think about a lot.  I actually do this a lot.)"

That story would be awesome *_* I feel like it's a great thing to include if well written, but as you said very disturbing and very hard to pull off properly. I'm not worried for you though, I'm not sure there is something that you actually can't write!

"I like that thought Naswë is going to be proved right about the Valar and how the Elves never should have trusted them, he also going to be a 3D character with flaws of his own.  To be honest though, him not acknowledging a child’s existence because of its parent’s choices is going to make me judge him hard.  (Doesn’t mean I won’t enjoy him as a character though, I have plenty of character who do shitty things, but I am still going to be giving him the stink-eye, especially if his behavior was ever apparent to Fingolfin.  :runs away with baby Fingolfin to raise in a cave where no one can ever hurt him again:  Now I am wondering how this will play out if he’s in Formenos when Feanor and Fingolfin come?  Ooooooo!  This could get really interesting!  I am curious about Fingolfin’s reaction to Naswë, but also Feanor’s.)"

Oh but Fingolfin knows, Naswë did this right to his face when he was a kid, that's why they saw each others only once in their whole life lol. I think Naswë was the monster under the bed when he was little, and that also (partly) explains why Fëanor isn't really on friendly terms with his uncle and doesn't really talk to him either. Naswë and your Fëanor actually share a lot of (bad) traits, including excessive stubborness and disregard for the opinion of others, though Naswë usually display this last trait by shrugging that he's not interested, your opinion is fine for you but hey look it's the time to go plant potatoes so talk to the wind, I'm not listening anymore. And I think Fëanor just stopped to talk to him because Naswë just has an habit of not listening to him *at all* once he decides he isn't interested, and being his uncle he is 100% immune to whatever charisma he can summon. If you know Parks and Recration, Naswë is Ron Swanson lol. He is very "old roman republican" in some ways, you build your house, manage your house, you don't spend your days wasting paper ranting about childish stuff, also what's all that jewelry and shiny clothes you can even craft by yourself?

I think the breaking point was Naswë saying something along the line of "Nephew why should I learn to write in Twengar? I use the sarati once a year to renew my fealthy to your idiotic father and that's one time too much already. Now do something useful, stop gaping and help me clean the dishes." That's when Fëanor ragequited from this attempt of a relationship XD

So I guess they will all be like: Fingolfin: "Alright Terrible Uncle is my new neighbour that's going to be nice." Fëanor: "I hate Fingolfin, Naswë hate Fingolfin, which one do I hate the most if I have to pick sides OMG what a dilemma they are both 100% aweful in their own ways and I'm going to die of boredome." Naswë: "Hey look that's my idiotic pedantic nephew and his invisible brother, let us pray they don't torch the whole valley to the ground with their silly fights."

Argh I need to stop talking about Naswë.



Author's Response:

And perhaps Melkor can understands but really likes to inflict pain anyway, so the empathy is working backward: he is able to put himself in most people's shoes, but instead of wanting to make them feel happy he likes to make them miserable instead. IDK, there are so many possibilites for Melkor, choosing one version over the others is always very hard.

That IS truly terrifying.  I find it really hard to wrap my mind around too…just…a person/being who can feel another’s pain and takes pleasure in inflicting pain, is…yeah, really terrifying.  I can understand a person who has little to no empathy doing terrible things easier then I can a person who KNOWS exactly how horrible what they are doing is but doing it anyway.  I think if Melkor is really like this, if he can really feel an Elf’s emotions/pain, then I cannot see him as anything but a monster.  I like thinking about what could have been had he been a little different from cannon, I like thinking about what could have happened then in Valinor if he had been more than the being of malice and jealousy and hate he seems to be in cannon, but this idea that he really has all this empathy and does what he does anyway is so disturbing to me! 

 I'm not sure there is something that you actually can't write!

You have not seen me try to write a humorous story!  That….would be a disaster.  I can just see me trying hard to make the plot funny, but me being me, suddenly what started off as funny (or at least an attempt at it) turns into angst :snorts:

“Oh but Fingolfin knows, Naswë did this right to his face when he was a kid, that's why they saw each others only once in their whole life lol. I think Naswë was the monster under the bed when he was little, 

Nooooo!  I was keeping my fingers crossed that Fingolfin didn’t know :(  It sounds like, though, that Finarfin (Irime or Findis in this story?) didn’t ever meet Naswë?

“I think the breaking point was Naswë saying something along the line of "Nephew why should I learn to write in Twengar? I use the sarati once a year to renew my fealthy to your idiotic father and that's one time too much already. Now do something useful, stop gaping and help me clean the dishes." That's when Fëanor ragequited from this attempt of a relationship XD

OMG.  Feanor would have not been able to STAND him lol  It is going to be very very interesting to see these three as neighbors!

“Fëanor: "I hate Fingolfin, Naswë hate Fingolfin, which one do I hate the most if I have to pick sides OMG what a dilemma they are both 100% aweful in their own ways and I'm going to die of boredome." 

 

This is going to be so awesome!  I’m hoping him and Fingolfin bound over this :)  Gosh, I am already makes up scene for a story I haven’t even read yet in my head lol  I can’t wait!



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: August 18, 2016 Title: Chapter 32: Intermission: Rage, rage against the dying of the light, Part I

"You are right that Feanor is never going to get over this.  Nor should he, I think.  This is his kid we are talking about who was taken advantage of.  Celegorm may not have understood what was so wrong with what happened at the time, but I think it was something that he never forgot, and after he’d grow into adulthood he came to understand how wrong it had really been.  I think he was the kind of person who would physically attack anyone who touched a child sexually."

I think part of the reason why I wonder at Celegorm/Oromë is because I don't really know how old Celegorm was (I guess it was said somewhere in the chapter but I don't remember). I'm really touchy about children so in my head, Celegorm was closer to 17 than to 13. This is still wrong, but more akin to pederastry than to pedophilia.

The reason why I don't put Oromë here at the same level of a human pedophile is that... well, he is not human, and may not be able to understand what the problem was unless an elf explained veeeeeeeeeery clearly. I don't think anyone ever tried that, nor that the Valar themselves encouraged the elves to teach them how to help. The only way I can see Celegorm being friend with Oromë is if they talk about this, and Oromë really listens. And changes. And stop behaving in a way that is harmful and tries to do some good, in a way that would benefit the elves. But that would requires ages for genuine trust to emerge from that, and they don't have enough time.

"If Orome does decide to try and join the rebellion then he’s going to find a frosty welcome waiting for him in the Feanorion camp, I think.  That doesn’t mean he won’t, but it’s not going to be a walk in the park for him.  Hum…now I am wondering if maybe, if Orome leaves the hive, I wonder if his latent empathy might start growing again?  Like, what if the Valar’s empathy depletes the longer they spend around each other?  No.  Wait.  That’s wouldn’t work.  The two Valar who spend the most time alone are Morgoth and Ulmo (and I don’ find Ulmo very empathetic, though he’s better then Manwe)."

I think that would actually work. Ulmo isn't very empathetic but still better, and... honestly... rain. RAIN. I don't think Ulmo is so alone, rain looks like he and Manwë having sex lol. Or Ulmo has empathy but only for fishes.

As for Morgoth, of all the Valar including Nienna, he is, I believe, the only one who DOES have empathy. He managed to manipulate most of the Noldor into hating their neighbours, so he is able to understand the children really well. Morgoth just doesn't use that to help anyone but himself. I read one theory on Tumblr, once, that the reason why the Valar failed is that Melkor was supposed to be the one with understanding, and the ability to deal with the Children, but since he defected, his abilites are only used to harm others. Morgoth is the only one who is constantly able to just fuck everyone big time, not only by crushing them but also by playing with their minds.

[Speaking of Morgoth, fire and ice (from another review!), I do associate Morgoth with fire and volcanos like you do, but also with ice. I think he can do both and is the Vala of extremes rather than just the Vala of fire. He can set something on fire then freeze it then burn it to the ground. He is extreme pain and extreme pleasure. There is no middle ground with him.]

Perhaps Oromë isn't a lost cause!

Your explanation about blood magic made sense and it fits quite well with what I am aiming for in the Xmas fic! I may diverge a bit from your canon for some points (Celegorm may be older since I REALLY don't write pedophilia) for scenaristic purposes and make like 1000 mistakes, but I'd still like the story to be a fanfic of your fanfic, so your verse rather than mine :) The biggest change will be the presence of Miriel's brother Naswë, who happens to be an "avari" of Valinor (that is, an elf who went to Valinor for some reasons but didn't want to, and ended up living in some remote places in order not to assimilate the cultural change, not to see any Ainu, and most probably not to see Finwë's face EVER) and is a practitioner of the old religion of Cuivienen. As such, I think he does have a lot of contacts with Oromë, and I want him to be a neutral character in the story.



Author's Response:

I think part of the reason why I wonder at Celegorm/Oromë is because I don't really know how old Celegorm was (I guess it was said somewhere in the chapter but I don't remember). I'm really touchy about children so in my head, Celegorm was closer to 17 than to 13. This is still wrong, but more akin to pederastry than to pedophilia.

I understand where you’re coming from totally.  I had imagined him as 15, maybe 16, (I think a lot of boys start to explore their sexuality around then.  Of course most aren’t going too far, and nor would Celegorm if the person he was exploring his sexuality with wasn’t a grown adult) but if that is too young for you than 17 works too.

“The reason why I don't put Oromë here at the same level of a human pedophile is that... well, he is not human, and may not be able to understand what the problem was unless an elf explained veeeeeeeeeery clearly. I don't think anyone ever tried that, nor that the Valar themselves encouraged the elves to teach them how to help. The only way I can see Celegorm being friend with Oromë is if they talk about this, and Oromë really listens. And changes. And stop behaving in a way that is harmful and tries to do some good, in a way that would benefit the elves. But that would requires ages for genuine trust to emerge from that, and they don't have enough time.

I do think that this is a possibility for what happened.  It would make sense too.  (I guess I am as yet undecided about a lot of things for Orome)  And I am not against the idea of Orome coming to understand how what he did was really wrong, I actually like this.

“I think that would actually work. Ulmo isn't very empathetic but still better, and... honestly... rain. RAIN. I don't think Ulmo is so alone, rain looks like he and Manwë having sex lol. Or Ulmo has empathy but only for fishes.

Sorry, I am confussed on this.  When you said rain, I seriously thought first about the singer Rain.  Too much k-pop lol.  But I am having a mind blank.  Who’s rain?  Sorry, I am probably being really stupid here :face plant:

“As for Morgoth, of all the Valar including Nienna, he is, I believe, the only one who DOES have empathy. He managed to manipulate most of the Noldor into hating their neighbours, so he is able to understand the children really well. Morgoth just doesn't use that to help anyone but himself. I read one theory on Tumblr, once, that the reason why the Valar failed is that Melkor was supposed to be the one with understanding, and the ability to deal with the Children, but since he defected, his abilites are only used to harm others. Morgoth is the only one who is constantly able to just fuck everyone big time, not only by crushing them but also by playing with their minds.

That’s a really interesting theory!  I like hearing alternatives to just Morgoth being born evil.  I read a really good one where Morgoth had essentially sung his fate into the Song, without even understanding what he was doing, and he was essentially trapped after that into living out the role he’d sung, unable to take a different path even though he wanted to :(  It was really sad.  Especially since in the story he had such a great bromance chemistry with Feanor :(

While I can see all kinds of Morgoth, I actually think that his ability to understand the Elves enough to manipulate them is not necessarily a sign of empathy.  I think, given that he also tortures them, and probably tortured the first Elves into Orcs personally, it makes me think he’s a psychopath.  Maybe this is me being ignorant, but when I hear about a person having the ability to torture another human being (especially in a case like Morogth where he did it again and again and again and no one was forcing him) that person must have stunted empathy or be a psychopath.

“I think he can do both and is the Vala of extremes rather than just the Vala of fire. He can set something on fire then freeze it then burn it to the ground. He is extreme pain and extreme pleasure. There is no middle ground with him.

I like this thought (and I am so bad, but I totally thought about kinks when you said extreme pain and pleasure ;P).

“Your explanation about blood magic made sense and it fits quite well with what I am aiming for in the Xmas fic!

Oh, I didn’t realize it was going to be a Xmas fic!  Awwwwww!

“(Celegorm may be older since I REALLY don't write pedophilia)

Yes, please, whatever makes you comfortable.

“but I'd still like the story to be a fanfic of your fanfic

OMG.  OMG.  OMG.  Deep breaths.  No, I can’t help it :screams like a hysterical fan girl:  OMG!!!!!!!  You have no idea how delighted this makes me!!!!  You want to write fanfic of my fic?  ::::tackle hugs you::::

“The biggest change will be the presence of Miriel's brother Naswë, who happens to be an "avari" of Valinor (that is, an elf who went to Valinor for some reasons but didn't want to, and ended up living in some remote places in order not to assimilate the cultural change, not to see any Ainu, and most probably not to see Finwë's face EVER) and is a practitioner of the old religion of Cuivienen.

Oooooh!  This sounds good!  I can’t wait to see how you write Avari culture, and what the other Elves of Valinor’s response to him not assimilate is!  Sounds like he 100% blames Finwe for Miriel, huh?  Or did he already not like Finwe from before?  No, wait, wait, don’t tell me, I want to find out in the story :D

 

Gosh this is all so exciting!!!!



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: August 18, 2016 Title: Chapter 32: Intermission: Rage, rage against the dying of the light, Part I

"Sorry, I am confussed on this.  When you said rain, I seriously thought first about the singer Rain.  Too much k-pop lol.  But I am having a mind blank.  Who’s rain?  Sorry, I am probably being really stupid here :face plant:"

Nah I am talking about water falling down from the sky, so rain. And basically every weather phenomenon that happens to mix the tags "sky" and "water" lol.

The whole Ulmo&Manwë&Melkor is there:

"And Ilúvatar spoke to Ulmo, and said: 'Seest thou not how here in this little realm in the Deeps of Time Melkor
hath made war upon thy province? He hath bethought him of bitter cold immoderate, and yet hath not destroyed the
beauty of thy fountains, nor of my clear pools. Behold the snow, and the cunning work of frost! Melkor hath devised
heats and fire without restraint, and hath not dried up thy desire nor utterly quelled the music of the sea. Behold rather the height and glory of the clouds, and the everchanging mists; and listen to the fall of rain upon the Earth! And in these
clouds thou art drawn nearer to Manwë, thy friend, whom thou lovest.'


Then Ulmo answered: 'Truly, Water is become now fairer than my heart imagined, neither had my secret thought
conceived the snowflake, nor in all my music was contained the falling of the rain. I will seek Manwë, that he and I
may make melodies for ever to my delight!' And Manwë and Ulmo have from the beginning been allied, and in all
things have served most faithfully the purpose of Ilúvatar."

I find this part interesting because at this point, Melkor hasn't done anything wrong (appart from singing on his own and we all know that in Tolkienworld, submission is nice and revolt is not nice). We have two cases of Valar other than Ulmo doing *something* with water: Melkor, who creates Ice (and Ulmo likes ice) and Manwë, because rain/the clouds/mist are shared by Ulmo and Manwë. What is interesting is that Manwë isn't even Ulmo's choice but Iluvatar, and it's kinda unfair at this point for Melkor. If we consider the Ainulindalë as a biased text, then Ulmo's choice was passed down tot he elves by the Valar of Valinor, and we can question a LOT of things: is this part of the text a very tuned down version of Ulmo considering joining Melkor instead of Manwë? We know Ossë almost did, but was he truly alone in this or was Ulmo also confused about his allegiance at some point?

My current headcanon is that when two Valar's realms mingle, due to their nature, it can, sometimes, mean that there is some kind of a "sexual" relationship between them (because their nature mingle at some point and it's basically ainu-sex if you do that). So yep I think Manwë and Ulmo have some kind of thing going on, at a level that isn't really understood as such by the elves because it's really different from what *they* experience. Well I also have this headcanon that Manwë and Ulmo were meant to be together by Iluvatar, until Varda decided to dump Melkor for Manwë and messed up the whole plan. I read the "ice problem" as Melkor trying (and failing) to find another mate (Ulmo), but unfortunatly for him Iluvatar doesn't ship him with anyone lol (or perhaps Iluvatar shipped him with Fëanor, but if that's the case Fëanor was really born too late to be of any use there).

I also wondered if Nienna could have been intended as Melkor's mate. I don't remember which version came first but in one of the HoME, Nienna is listed as Melkor's sister rather than Mandos', and she was, at first, conceived as the Valië of winter and ice. Some of her attributions were later switched to Melkor and Nienna became a lot kinder, so I ruled that off but that's still possible. In my headcanon Nienna was intended for Nessa, who refused her because she couldn't be bothered by her constant weeping.

"While I can see all kinds of Morgoth, I actually think that his ability to understand the Elves enough to manipulate them is not necessarily a sign of empathy.  I think, given that he also tortures them, and probably tortured the first Elves into Orcs personally, it makes me think he’s a psychopath.  Maybe this is me being ignorant, but when I hear about a person having the ability to torture another human being (especially in a case like Morogth where he did it again and again and again and no one was forcing him) that person must have stunted empathy or be a psychopath."

I read empathy as the ability to understand others feelings, but not necessarily having sympathy for others. As for Morgoth (and Sauron), I think we should also not forget that they aren't human, they aren't elves, they are different being from another specie. Elves would be like ants for them at the beginning. We humans can be cruel to animals without being labelled as psychopath: they are not of our specie, we belittle them or do not sympathize with them because they function differently... well I don't see why Melkor would be different. When he creates the orcs he is a kid torturing insects. The problem is that Melkor never get past this point and evolved into someone who keeps torturing insects instead of stopping, not because he doesn't have the ability to understand how this hurts the elves, but because they are not kin to him, not on the same level... basically, rabbits in a laboratory. From his point of view he wouldn't be worse that us: we test drugs on animals, cut them appart, we have cannulated cows with a hole in their chest! We even created ugly dogs who have problems to breath because making them that way was fashionable at some point. The problem with Morgoth is that the elves and the humans are to him what animals are to us, and let's face it, we humans are douchbags when it comes to animals.

And this, I guess, is why Fëanor is right when he says being under the leadership of the Valar is wrong. Even if they mean well, they are not elves and will never be elves. The best case is that they will be nice "pet parents", but even if I love my cats, they are still cats and will never be my equals (I mean I love them, but did I ask them if they agreed to move to a new flat? Nope, they are cats, so they move with me). This is also the reason why Naswë (Miriel's brother) argued quite a lot against Finwë going to Valinor. There are genuine reasons for Finwë not listening to him, but he had very valid points, the first being THEY ARE NOT ELVES. Naswë can try to understand animals, and he does because Celegorm's ability to talk to animals is inherited from Miriel and Naswë has it too, but that won't keep him from eating them, so why would the Valar behave differently? Why would they ever consider the elves as anything else than perpetual children? The inbalance in power is so great that, to him, the current situation Fëanor is fighting against was 100% predictable from the start.

Of course Naswë blames Finwë, but not as much as we would think, because Miriel was a grown girl and Finwë can't be blamed for her choices. Naswë is more like "I told so you" (and this is also what he would say to Fëanor for the Celegorm/Oromë mess: "Just what did you expect?"). Naswë isn't a white knight, however, and the reason why he is unofficially exiled in Formenos (I headcanon that Fëanor goes there because Formenos are the lands of Miriel's kin, the House of the Lake) is that his response to Finwë marrying Indis was "marriage what marriage?", so he keeps calling her Princess Indis of the Vanyar and acts as if Fingolfin doesn't exist. He met him once and only once because he kept ignoring him, so Finwë decided to just give up on him and told him to come back to Tirion when he is ready to acknowledge that Fingolfin exists. Hundreds of years later Naswë is still not coming back to Tirion so that's telling about him.

 

"OMG.  OMG.  OMG.  Deep breaths.  No, I can’t help it :screams like a hysterical fan girl:  OMG!!!!!!!  You have no idea how delighted this makes me!!!!  You want to write fanfic of my fic?  ::::tackle hugs you::::"

Yes *_* I've wanted to write something for you for a long time and you seemed to really like the idea of Fingolfin and Fëanor alone in the North, so it's planned! I hope to be able to deliver before Xmas though, it's probably going to be multichaptered. It won't be as well written as your fic though, english is not my first language and sometimes it really shows (mostly on Fëanor, I am just not able to write his dialogue as they should, I feel like it's five-years-old Fëanor speaking lol).



Author's Response:

Nah I am talking about water falling down from the sky, so rain. And basically every weather phenomenon that happens to mix the tags "sky" and "water" lol.

:snorts:  I knew I was having a ‘duh’ moment, but the way I read it, it really sounded like rain was some kind of sentient entity lol

“My current headcanon is that when two Valar's realms mingle, due to their nature, it can, sometimes, mean that there is some kind of a "sexual" relationship between them (because their nature mingle at some point and it's basically ainu-sex if you do that).

This is really fascinating!  I am trying to imagine this and….it seems like it would be a spiritual merging?  Like they are connecting on a really deep level, far more intimate then sex, like the very essence of who they are are merging?  I wonder though, if it was like this, how deeply Ulmo understood Melkor?  Melkor seemed to fear Ulmo.  I wonder it was because he knew Ulmo knew him best….?  Or maybe it wasn’t’ fear, maybe he never messed with the sea because some small part of him remembered what they’d once had/what he wished they’d once had?  Or maybe some small part of him was ashamed of what he’d become and didn’t want Ulmo to see so he waged his war firmly on land?

….nah.  I don’t really believe he knew shame.  Just throwing out idea lol

“I also wondered if Nienna could have been intended as Melkor's mate. I don't remember which version came first but in one of the HoME, Nienna is listed as Melkor's sister rather than Mandos', and she was, at first, conceived as the Valië of winter and ice. Some of her attributions were later switched to Melkor and Nienna became a lot kinder, so I ruled that off but that's still possible. In my headcanon Nienna was intended for Nessa, who refused her because she couldn't be bothered by her constant weeping.

I had a sudden vision of Nienna as a character like that girl in Frozen (complete with singing and pretty ice storms).

“I read empathy as the ability to understand others feelings, but not necessarily having sympathy for others.

Ah, I understand now.  For me, I see empathy as the ability to actually feel another’s pain =.  Like if I were to listen to the story of someone’s abuse as a child, if I had sympathy for them, I would feel like that was a sad story, but I don’t feel the same depth of feeling like I do when I am being empathetic.  Someone who is empathetic, to me, is someone who really can think about what it would be like to be walking in the other’s shoes, to really feel another persons’ pain on a deep level.  Of course, this is all just my own view of these two words.

But, wow, reading that about how the Valar view Elves more like animals then equal beings…..I can totally see this.  It makes perfect sense.  It’s also downright horrifying, and makes me uncomfortable to think about to be honest.  Just…I think the captured Elves in Ultumno and the way Melkor picked them apart like insects, and just….I am really disturbed.  But I also really want to write a story on this too.  (There is that quote about how we should write what disturbs us that I think about a lot.  I actually do this a lot.)

I like that thought Naswë is going to be proved right about the Valar and how the Elves never should have trusted them, he also going to be a 3D character with flaws of his own.  To be honest though, him not acknowledging a child’s existence because of its parent’s choices is going to make me judge him hard.  (Doesn’t mean I won’t enjoy him as a character though, I have plenty of character who do shitty things, but I am still going to be giving him the stink-eye, especially if his behavior was ever apparent to Fingolfin.  :runs away with baby Fingolfin to raise in a cave where no one can ever hurt him again:  Now I am wondering how this will play out if he’s in Formenos when Feanor and Fingolfin come?  Ooooooo!  This could get really interesting!  I am curious about Fingolfin’s reaction to Naswë, but also Feanor’s.)

 It won't be as well written as your fic though, english is not my first language and sometimes it really shows”

Don’t say that, I am sure it will be brilliant!  And I think you will bring your own strengths to the story that I don’t have, and thus make it all the better :D  I am really looking forward to it.

“(mostly on Fëanor, I am just not able to write his dialogue as they should, I feel like it's five-years-old Fëanor speaking lol).

 

Don’t we all feel that way when writing Feanor lol  I know he makes me feel like an uneducated fool stringing nonsense together while he sits there with a what-the-hell look on his face :snorts:



Title: Weirdly wonderful. by Urloth
Rated: Mature [Reviews - 70]
Summary: Feature

A place for all my small pieces that don't justify a story to their own but don't deserve to rot in a file in the back of my document folder because I'm not going to make them any longer. Also the future home to any B2Me I ever do. (Maybe next year?)


Category: Fiction
Characters: Aredhel, Balin, Caranthir, Celebrían, Celegorm, Curufin, Elrond, Erestor, Eärendil, Eöl, Fëanor, Finarfin, Findis, Fingolfin, Finrod, Finwë, Galadriel, Gildor, Glorfindel, Huan, Idril, Indis, Irimë, Legolas, Maeglin, Maglor, Mandos/Námo, Manwë, Melian, Míriel, Nerdanel, OFC, OMC, Oromë, Thranduil, Ulmo, Yavanna
Content: Action/Adventure, Angst, AU, BDSM, Character Death, Drabble, Drama, Erotica, Gen, Het, Horror, Humor, Hurt/Comfort, Incest, Kink, PWP, Romance, Slash, Vignette
Challenge: None
Series: None
Chapters: 56 | Completed: No | Word count: 47438 | Read count: 65404

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Published: May 21, 2012 | Updated: April 02, 2017


Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: May 16, 2016 Title: Chapter 31: Prompt: Replacement (Finwe, Miriel, Indis, Finarfin, Irime, Findis.)

The slap into Indis' face I get because Indis was, well, a grown women who chose to marry Finwë despite the dire consequences for Miriel, but the fate of Indis daughter's is heartless at best.

Dark fic indeed !



Author's Response:

This was meant to be a super dark fic :D I was reading a lot of crusades era dynasty mongering fiction at the time and wanted to write something like the cold blooded machinations I'd seen going on in those! :D thanks for the review!



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: May 16, 2016 Title: Chapter 7: Prompt: Sisterhood (Finwe, Indis, Feanor, Original Character)

I wonder how Mirandel will be punished for her crime. Knowing the Valar, they must have been soooooo shocked: "But but why, elves are supposed to be cute and nice, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? That must the MARRING! THE MARRIIIIIIIIING!"

Because we all know that the Marring of Arda is responsible for everything bad, don't we ?



Author's Response:

There;s a follow up further along amongst the drabbles :D basically she hot foots it into exile and crosses the Helcaraxe by herself.



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: May 06, 2016 Title: Chapter 1: This means war.

This Nerdanel just became canon for me.

Her and Lintamendë's interpretation about what the hell she was doing before the rebellion.

Now, I wonder, how many feuds did she manage to create before the Noldor left for ME ? I want to know more about Nerdanel's secret part in all of this !



Author's Response:

One thing I love is a Nerdanel that is both not taking Feanor's shit and also not taking anyone elses shit. I'd love to believe this Nerdanel was a subversive character before the Noldor left ME and stirred a lot of conflict up.



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: November 25, 2016 Title: Chapter 53: Prompt: Mess (Feanor. Fingolfin.)

I am surprised that I didn't review this (perhaps I did on AO3?) because it's a very nice ficlet and I enjoy it everytime I reread this. I don't have much to say; it's cute, and it's frustrating because I wish there was more!



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: November 25, 2016 Title: Chapter 39: Fic Requests: Feanor and Galadriel for Iaafl.

Ah ah I always love some good Fëanor&Galadriel hate, those two are terrible. And the image of Fëanor walking around for hundreds of miles with Galadriel's braid as a belt lol, family councils must have been great.

And the moment after the battle when everyone is like: "err, what are we doing"... because, well, she DID try to kill Celegorm's dad, and Celegorm's brother hit her on the head, apparently Finrod fought for the Noldor, damn what a mess.



Title: One's Own by Urloth
Rated: General Audiences [Reviews - 4]
Summary:

Fëanáro, eldest son of Míriel Þerindë and Finwë Ñoldóran, attempts to be the best brother he can be to his little siblings despite being perplexed, bothered, and bewildered by them almost constantly.


Category: Fiction
Characters: Fëanor, Findis, Fingolfin, Finwë, Míriel, Rúmil
Content: AU, Gen, Humor
Challenge: None
Series: None
Chapters: 3 | Completed: No | Word count: 4782 | Read count: 2995

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Published: September 21, 2013 | Updated: September 21, 2013


Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: June 29, 2016 Title: Chapter 3: In Which R

 

Fëanáro eyed her suspiciously.

He didn’t trust Indis’ hair.

It was puffy and gold and unlike the hair of any Noldor.

He was sure it ate things.

Oh my, here come the eating-hair!

Also, the clan of Miriel is obviously populated by people with a strange sense of humor :

“You are a man,” he said, “men do not give birth.”

“Oh precious innocent summer child,” Rúmil smiled and the smile sent horrific chills down Fëanáro’s spine, “the things you do not know… yet.”

“Rúmil stop frightening my son,” Finwë ordered from the doorway.

“Father,” Fëanáro gave him a wide eyed glance, “men can’t give birth can they?!”

Now if I remember well, I heard things about hermaphrodite elves as one of your headcanons, and am actually wondering if Rumil may not be more serious than we think!

 



Title: The Black Arrow by ziggy
Rated: General Audiences [Reviews - 154]
Summary:

Thranduil strikes a bargain with his fiery neighbour.

Smaug is dead and Esgaroth is devastated. Thranduil arrives with help

The story of how the black arrow that killed Smaug came to Bard. 'Black Arrow!" said the bowman. "Black arrow! I have saved you to the last. You have never failed me and always I have recovered you. I had you from my father and he from of old. If ever you came from the forges of the true King under the Mountain, go now and speed well!"

It was brought from the Lonely Mountain, from the forges of the true King under the Mountain. But it was taken from Smaug’s horde by someone quite unexpected.

The story of how the Black Arrow came to be in Bard’s hands, and how Legolas got his tattoo.

 


Category: Fiction
Characters: Thranduil
Content: Action/Adventure
Challenge: None
Series: None
Chapters: 30 | Completed: No | Word count: 129206 | Read count: 16635

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Published: November 01, 2013 | Updated: December 21, 2017


Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: May 08, 2016 Title: Chapter 2: Chapter 2 Smaug

I was never fond of the Hobbit. Lee Pace managed to make Thranduil look cool, but that wasn't enough to actually make him interesting (but then, Peter Jackson has a problem with making interesting). I think Smaug led me to start with this story instead of Thranduil, because dragon !

The two first chapters were very well written, and the meeting between Thranduil and Smaug  is very, very strong. I like how you wove fear with fascination, like a man watching a tiger and knowing this beautiful beast would eat him alive... only Smaug is bigger, more dangerous, and can actually talk, so the feeling would increase ten fold. Thranduil is every bit the elven king there, and using his status to make himself more pricely and interesting. It's very in character for an elf ; he's using wits, but his wits are in no way comparable with Bilbo's innocence. Bilbo uses modesty and his non threatening nature while Thranduil uses all the qualities of his own race: the fact that elves are dangerous (Earendil, after all, killed the greatest of the dragon, and Glaurung himself never dared to face Maedhros) and their marvellous, shiny hair!



Author's Response:

So glad you are reading this and reviewing. I loved Lee Pace's look as Thranduil but PJ 's elves are all about the look really and you're right- he can't do depth. Even Galadriel is a bit one dimensional!

 

This chapter sort of wrote itself actually- I think my best work is like that and the images are already formed, the words just come. You know what I mean? I have to say I think PJ's dragon was wonderful- he does make his beasts satisfyingly big, colossal- like the balrog. Magnificently huge.

I like your comparison with Bilbo- an interesting point- might use that if that's OK in the current one when I get there.

 

Yes- marvellous shiny hair:)



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: May 08, 2016 Title: Chapter 3: Chapter 3 Girion's Heir

Very short review for this chapter : Yay dragon spell !



Author's Response:

Thank you!!



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: May 08, 2016 Title: Chapter 1: Chapter 1

Use everything you want, we are writing fanfics, it's all about sharing !

I think it shows, that you had this meeting in your head and wrote this fic for it. There's the feel that the scene was very clear in your head: lots of details, feelings, "something" that just isn't there in scenes that are meant to link parts of the plot together. I hope to see more scenes lake those in the next chapters !



Author's Response:

Yes, you will. I liked that moment in the movie where Thranduil just looks as Bilbo scuttles away. I have never beleived that the ring could have been in the  stronghold all that time and not tried to reach Thranduil, or he would not have noticed. There are going to be a lot more arguments in Mirkwood than usual!!



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: May 08, 2016 Title: Chapter 4: Chapter 4 Laersul

I love Thranduil's obsession with the dragon. You make me want to put dragons in my own fic ! I'll have to work with Glaurung though, but your Smaug is brilliant, even when he's not here.



Author's Response:

How strange- I could have sworn I replied to this review- so sorry! I am sure we have had conversations about your writing Glaurung- I am so looking forward to that!!



Title: The Vanyar’s Rebellion by Encairion
Rated: Teen [Reviews - 15]
Summary:

Elenwë, wife of Turgon, finds much has changed in Valinor since her death upon the Helcaraxë.

This story is part of The Price series.

 


Category: Fiction
Characters: Amarië, Eärwen, Eärendil, Elenwë, Eonwë, Erestor, Finarfin, Idril
Content: AU, Character Death, Drama, Femmeslash, Het, Slash
Challenge: None
Series: The Price of Eternity
Chapters: 3 | Completed: Yes | Word count: 16771 | Read count: 3527

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Published: April 18, 2014 | Updated: April 21, 2014


Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: September 04, 2016 Title: Chapter 1: Chapter 1

This is a nice sunday afternoon and I am starting this! Woot!

Chapter 1!

Yay Finarfin will be in the story!

There is a very real feeling of emptyness at the beginning of the chapter. First the erasure of knowledge about Mandos (I reread Lintamandë's words about Mandos and the unfairness that it is recently, so MUCH can be used for fanfiction! I mean, we know Miriel was released, but if she felt like Elenwë, no wonder she never truly returned). Also the departure of those who could depart, and the others who remain locked in memories. Tirion must be very gloomy now.

I am really happy to meet your Amarië. I usually find your female characters interesting and am currently searching for headcanons for them. I like how you make each of them unique in their own way.

I remember being a bit surprised when I read you set Finrod as the one who would be a "monotheist" since he is, like Turgon, linked with Ulmo, but I guess this is also because the first time I read about someone praying to Eru rather than to the Valar, it was Fëanor in Dawn Felagund's Another man's cage. But then, Fëanor easily gets all the spotlight all the time if we are'nt careful. Do you remember why you gave these beliefs to Finrod rather than to another one of his brothers or cousins?

"The Noldor called the Vanyar snotty behind their backs, the Teleri called them patronizing. It was an Age-old vice of their people that they thought themselves just that little bit higher than other Elves. Once it had been because of their devotion to the Valar, now it was their culture, the way they had broken free of the Valar’s bindings while the Noldor they lived amongst had come back to them, or never left."

Ah ah si is so very true. I think IRL Amarië would be someone I would hate. And seriously, they have broken free? After the massive rebellion of the Noldor, they are followers rather than leaders here.

Idril!

When I read about Idril in the Price of Vengeance, she reminded be of a Tumblr Social Justice blogger. I mean she did try, but I can totally imagine her reblogging something Elenwë posted to tell her how PROBLEMATIC this is. I have a friend who acts like this and I have been trying to explain to her that she would convince no one if she kept acting like the had the Truth and they were children, that she couldn't just get angry at everyone and scream at them. She answered that she was Right and she fought for Good so she could. We are both feminists, so we really defend the same ideas, but that kind of behavior really makes me want to facepalm.



Author's Response:

There is a very real feeling of emptyness at the beginning of the chapter. First the erasure of knowledge about Mandos (I reread Lintamandë's words about Mandos and the unfairness that it is recently, so MUCH can be used for fanfiction! I mean, we know Miriel was released, but if she felt like Elenwë, no wonder she never truly returned). Also the departure of those who could depart, and the others who remain locked in memories. Tirion must be very gloomy now.

I am glad this feeling came through in the story.  It’s exactly how I envision Tirion post-exile.  I doubt more then maybe 20,000-30,000 Noldor stayed in Tirion originally.  More returned with Finarfin, but I got the feeling that the majority of Finarfin’s followers carried on with Finrod and Finarfin’s other children rather then returning to Tirion.  There were probably less than 100,000 Noldor in Valinor after Finarfin’s return.  They had some kids after that, of course, but I think the population growth was almost non-existent.  In Middle-earth I head-cannon that Elves gradually lost the ability to control when they had children (unless their minds/bodies/hearts were under extreme stress in which case they had no children (like in the last years of Beleriand when there was food shortages and despair and Morgoth’s poison leached into the land itself).  But for the Elves in Valinor the Valar were still right there, and I think the Valar wanted to keep the Elven population low (and controllable.  They didn’t want to risk another large Elven host).  So even after the time of grief and shock passed for the Elves in Valinor, I don’t think their population did much growing.

“I remember being a bit surprised when I read you set Finrod as the one who would be a "monotheist" since he is, like Turgon, linked with Ulmo, but I guess this is also because the first time I read about someone praying to Eru rather than to the Valar, it was Fëanor in Dawn Felagund's Another man's cage. But then, Fëanor easily gets all the spotlight all the time if we are'nt careful. Do you remember why you gave these beliefs to Finrod rather than to another one of his brothers or cousins?

Actually, if I re-wrote Vengeance, I wouldn’t make Finrod a religious figure.  I do like the element of Eru worship in the story, but I wish I’d written Finrod as a figure who was more concerned with human rights then religious rights.  I think that fits more with his character, and it is who I think Finarfin would have been if he’d been raised in another family, and I like the idea of Finrod being so much like his father.  I do want Finrod to have been seen as a bit of a fanatic in Valinor though, and then he mellowed with age and life.  I like that for him.  Only not a religious fanatic.  I think though, he would have been difficult to hold a conversation with in Valinor unless you were ready to debat.  He loved debating.  I don’t think he was one of those people who tried to run over everyone elses arguments, all self-rightious and snotty in their belief in their own rightness.  He would want to hear your arguments, and then spend hours, days, talking about them, and trying to convince you of his own believes….but not in a self-rioughious way, but a self-assured one, defiantly.  He isn’t someone easily swayed, that’s for sure, but even in Valinor he wasn’t an ass about it.

One day I am going to re-write that part of this story.  As for who the religious lead of the Eru religious was….hmm…I’ll have to figure that one out.  I could definaltly see Finrod as being a member of the religious when it first started out, but then pulling away as it grew more ridged and ceremonial.  I wonder if it was someone he knew that began it?  Maybe it was Amarië?

“I think IRL Amarië would be someone I would hate. And seriously, they have broken free? After the massive rebellion of the Noldor, they are followers rather than leaders here.

Liol I know. And I wouldn’t like Amarië in real life either.  In fact, I don’t think Finrod would either.  Not the person Finrod grew into in Beleriand.  I wonder what their meeting will be like after he’s re-born?  Well, I don’t think she’s been pinning over him all these years, so at least there won’t be any broken-hearts.

“When I read about Idril in the Price of Vengeance, she reminded be of a Tumblr Social Justice blogger. I mean she did try, but I can totally imagine her reblogging something Elenwë posted to tell her how PROBLEMATIC this is. I have a friend who acts like this and I have been trying to explain to her that she would convince no one if she kept acting like the had the Truth and they were children, that she couldn't just get angry at everyone and scream at them. She answered that she was Right and she fought for Good so she could. We are both feminists, so we really defend the same ideas, but that kind of behavior really makes me want to facepalm.

This does sound like the kind of person Idril is!  She’s so….frustrating in Gondolin.  I suppose she’s trying, but she doesn’t really understand anything.  She’s all worried about the Silvan having voices in government when they are still being treated like slaves.  I don’t think she ever visited the Silvan’s city, or went to the fields where they were laboring so the Noldor could live in comfort. 

 

Thank you for the review!  I am glad you enjoyed the story :)  I remember it was interesting to right about some characters I hadn’t gotten a chance to explore before.  This was the story I fell for Finarfin while writing.  He blinded-sided me!  Now one of my favorite ships that has yet to ever be written is Finarfin x happiness lol



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: September 04, 2016 Title: Chapter 2: Chapter 2

Chapter 2!

"Caranthir, the dark son of Fëanor, standing on the water’s edge, the waves hissing like angry snakes about his boots as if trying to sink their fangs into his flesh; he hurled rocks into the sea, over and over again, stepping over bodies to search for more stones, his face mercifully shadowed by the dark, until one of his brothers came to draw him away"

<3 (yes this is constructiv reviewing)

 



Author's Response:

*g*

 

Really, though, it’s been so long since I wrote this story that I was reading that excerpt and scratching my head.  Where does Caranthir fit into this story? Lol I am going to have to re-read/do some serious editing I am sure.



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: September 04, 2016 Title: Chapter 3: Chapter 3

Chapter 3

"The war was over, but one would think after 40 years at war she would have learned never to leave Finarfin’s side without seeing to a proper guard in her place, no matter what Finarfin said about being ‘fine.’ The last time she’d left Finarfin with and ‘I’m fine, go,’ he’d managed to get tangled up into an Orc ambush. It was better than the incident with the dragon, or the Balrog before that, but he seemed to attract danger like dead meat flies. It would have been amusing if there weren’t so many knives in her belly."

Ah ah is there anyone in the House of Finwë that isn't attracting danger?

There is a mistake at one point, you switched Fingolfin with Finarfin! As much as I would have loved to see Fingolfin again, that wasn't him! There is also a mistake on Mairon/Marion and since it's my sister's name, I admit it's been troubling XD

Now I have to read the Price of Duty as well because obviously, there were a lot of things I missed there, BUT I really liked the part about the Ainur and the possibility for rebellion. Especially since we already talked about this before :)

 



Author's Response:

“Ah ah is there anyone in the House of Finwë that isn't attracting danger?

Lol

For Finarfin though, I fear it is more that he is seeking that danger out :(  At this point in his life….I don’t think he has a whole lot to live for.  And Elenwë is seriously worried.

There is a mistake at one point, you switched Fingolfin with Finarfin! As much as I would have loved to see Fingolfin again, that wasn't him! There is also a mistake on Mairon/Marion and since it's my sister's name, I admit it's been troubling XD

Thank you for pointing this out!  It’s fixed now, sorry!  Gods, it’s been so long since I wrote this story that I am cringing inside thinking of all the mistakes it’s no-doubt littered with :(  I hope it wasn’t too distracting! 

Now I have to read the Price of Duty as well because obviously, there were a lot of things I missed there, BUT I really liked the part about the Ainur and the possibility for rebellion. Especially since we already talked about this before :)

:bits lip:  Oh gosh, now I am getting really self-conscious thinking about that story.  It was one of the first fan fiction I ever wrote and….it shows.  I am just going to apologize in advance for all the mistakes I am sure it’s littered with!

 

But thank you for telling me you are going to read it, because it gave me the push I needed to go back and write in some scenes I’d been meaning to for…um…over a year :cringe:  I am a terrible procrastinator lol  but at least it’s done now.  Not the best writing ever, but at least they’re written!



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: September 06, 2016 Title: Chapter 3: Chapter 3

Really, though, it’s been so long since I wrote this story that I was reading that excerpt and scratching my head.  Where does Caranthir fit into this story? Lol I am going to have to re-read/do some serious editing I am sure.

Honestly that's actually just me picking up random flashbacks that are 100% unrelated with the plot lol.

It's the part where Elenwë remembers de Kinslaying!



Author's Response:

Oh, I see now! I was really drawing a blank as to where Caranthir fit into this story lol  But I love that you zeroed in on that little glimpse of him :)



Title: The Revolutionary and the Usurper by Encairion
Rated: Mature [Reviews - 262]
Summary: Feature

The tale of the boy who stood up to change the world, and the half-brother who wanted to stand at his side, but if he couldn’t have that, let him have everything else.

The tale of the Genius and the Shepherd as they were known by some, the Madman and the Traitor by others, but who were they in each other’s eyes?

The tale of Fëanor and Fingolfin.

“I refuse to accept the Noldor are bound to the starless midnight of these petty lives the Valar have boxed us into.  I refuse to accept we will never walk through these shadows and into the bright daybreak of freedom!” –Fëanor in The Revolutionary and the Usurper


Category: Fiction
Characters: Amras, Amrod, Caranthir, Celegorm, Curufin, Fëanor, Finarfin, Fingolfin, Fingon, Finwë, Indis, Míriel, Maedhros, Maglor, Melkor/Morgoth, Nerdanel, OFC, OMC, Rúmil
Content: Character Death, Drama, Incest, Slash
Challenge: None
Series: The Price of Eternity
Chapters: 28 | Completed: Yes | Word count: 172259 | Read count: 23975

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Published: December 29, 2014 | Updated: July 05, 2016


Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: May 16, 2016 Title: Chapter 2: Chapter 2

Chapter 2 !

Poor Indis! I understand that Fëanor is upset, but as someone who takes rejection very very hard, I sympathize with her. She's really trying hard, I actually found her quite likable in this scene. I don't know if you like her or not but she came out as pretty decent. I tend to have a problem with fics who are deliberatly negative on every (or almost every) female characters; it happens far too frequently with slash fictions, which is sad because those are mostly written by women. I also remember liking your Nerdanel and Elenwë so kudos for your women in general.

The north aisle and Miriel belongings

I like the image of dust and shadows here, even if Finwë, being a king, can probably pay at least one servant to actually clean the place since he knows his son is going to visit. I guess the symbolic is more important than palace managing though :)

Some of Finwë's hurt seeping through in this scene. We always see Fëanor being afraid of rejection, but obviously Finwë has to dealt with the same problem: since it's been said by the Valar that Miriel didn't want to return, he must have felt he refusal like a blow. It's been pointed out (by Lintamandë I think) that depressions may be seriously misunderstood in Valinor, so Finwë wouldn't be able to understand her at all... in this case, how not to take it personnaly? How is he supposed not to think she abandonned both him and Fëanor? How is he supposed to bear his sons queries about her, when he believes she doesn't care enough?

The wedding ceremony

Very realistic aweful people (who could be you and me because most people are aweful like this).

Perhaps it would have gone better if Finwë finally hired a nanny or something, but it's never going to happen.



Author's Response:

Thank you for another great review!  It’s so wonderful to hear how much you enjoyed the story :)

I found it really interesting that you liked Indis character, since I think she is one of the weakest in the story (in so far as I think I didn’t give her enough depth), but that’s great that you were able to sympathize with her :)

I tend to have a problem with fics who are deliberatly negative on every (or almost every) female characters; it happens far too frequently with slash fictions, which is sad because those are mostly written by women. I also remember liking your Nerdanel and Elenwë so kudos for your women in general.

Thank you!  I actually used to worry that I was writing poor FC’s, but as I’ve developed as a writer I think they’ve gotten stronger and more well rounded.  To me what I look for and want in a female character and what I consider a strong female character is a complex one.  She can be a villain as long as her actions make sense and she has depth to her.  Just give me a woman I can really sink my teeth into! 

“Some of Finwë's hurt seeping through in this scene. We always see Fëanor being afraid of rejection, but obviously Finwë has to dealt with the same problem: since it's been said by the Valar that Miriel didn't want to return, he must have felt he refusal like a blow

Oh, I hadn’t actually thought of this before –Finwe feeling that sense of abandonment—but I like it a lot!  Yes, I can see his greif turning that way, and from this feeling of abandonment sprouted one of resentment, and from there he just locked his doors on Mirel and their memories together. 

“t's been pointed out (by Lintamandë I think) that depressions may be seriously misunderstood in Valinor, so Finwë wouldn't be able to understand her at all... 

Yes, I think she was depressed, and also, as you said, that depression (and mental illness in general) was not understood in Valinor.  So Finwe not understanding why Miriel couldn’t find the will to keep living would have made it all all the harder, because it would be as if she were saying that he, and Feanor, weren’t enough to live for, and how can that not be painful?

The wedding ceremony

Very realistic aweful people (who could be you and me because most people are aweful like this).”

I’m glad you found it realistic!  It can be hard to sell random people being awful in a story lol  At least I think so sometimes, since we don’t get to see any of their motivations behind their words, and they are pretty much used solely for the purpose of our main character’s story line lol  So it’s good to hear it all turned out so well :)

Thank you again for the review!  I love that you have gotten me thinking again about the beginning of the story because I haven’t thought about it for too long :)

 

 



Author's Response:

Thank you for another great review!  It’s so wonderful to hear how much you enjoyed the story :)

I found it really interesting that you liked Indis character, since I think she is one of the weakest in the story (in so far as I think I didn’t give her enough depth), but that’s great that you were able to sympathize with her :)

I tend to have a problem with fics who are deliberatly negative on every (or almost every) female characters; it happens far too frequently with slash fictions, which is sad because those are mostly written by women. I also remember liking your Nerdanel and Elenwë so kudos for your women in general.

Thank you!  I actually used to worry that I was writing poor FC’s, but as I’ve developed as a writer I think they’ve gotten stronger and more well rounded.  To me what I look for and want in a female character and what I consider a strong female character is a complex one.  She can be a villain as long as her actions make sense and she has depth to her.  Just give me a woman I can really sink my teeth into! 

“Some of Finwë's hurt seeping through in this scene. We always see Fëanor being afraid of rejection, but obviously Finwë has to dealt with the same problem: since it's been said by the Valar that Miriel didn't want to return, he must have felt he refusal like a blow

Oh, I hadn’t actually thought of this before –Finwe feeling that sense of abandonment—but I like it a lot!  Yes, I can see his greif turning that way, and from this feeling of abandonment sprouted one of resentment, and from there he just locked his doors on Mirel and their memories together. 

“t's been pointed out (by Lintamandë I think) that depressions may be seriously misunderstood in Valinor, so Finwë wouldn't be able to understand her at all... 

Yes, I think she was depressed, and also, as you said, that depression (and mental illness in general) was not understood in Valinor.  So Finwe not understanding why Miriel couldn’t find the will to keep living would have made it all all the harder, because it would be as if she were saying that he, and Feanor, weren’t enough to live for, and how can that not be painful?

The wedding ceremony

Very realistic aweful people (who could be you and me because most people are aweful like this).”

I’m glad you found it realistic!  It can be hard to sell random people being awful in a story lol  At least I think so sometimes, since we don’t get to see any of their motivations behind their words, and they are pretty much used solely for the purpose of our main character’s story line lol  So it’s good to hear it all turned out so well :)

Thank you again for the review!  I love that you have gotten me thinking again about the beginning of the story because I haven’t thought about it for too long :)

 

 



Author's Response:

Thank you for another great review!  It’s so wonderful to hear how much you enjoyed the story :)

I found it really interesting that you liked Indis character, since I think she is one of the weakest in the story (in so far as I think I didn’t give her enough depth), but that’s great that you were able to sympathize with her :)

I tend to have a problem with fics who are deliberatly negative on every (or almost every) female characters; it happens far too frequently with slash fictions, which is sad because those are mostly written by women. I also remember liking your Nerdanel and Elenwë so kudos for your women in general.

Thank you!  I actually used to worry that I was writing poor FC’s, but as I’ve developed as a writer I think they’ve gotten stronger and more well rounded.  To me what I look for and want in a female character and what I consider a strong female character is a complex one.  She can be a villain as long as her actions make sense and she has depth to her.  Just give me a woman I can really sink my teeth into! 

“Some of Finwë's hurt seeping through in this scene. We always see Fëanor being afraid of rejection, but obviously Finwë has to dealt with the same problem: since it's been said by the Valar that Miriel didn't want to return, he must have felt he refusal like a blow

Oh, I hadn’t actually thought of this before –Finwe feeling that sense of abandonment—but I like it a lot!  Yes, I can see his greif turning that way, and from this feeling of abandonment sprouted one of resentment, and from there he just locked his doors on Mirel and their memories together. 

“t's been pointed out (by Lintamandë I think) that depressions may be seriously misunderstood in Valinor, so Finwë wouldn't be able to understand her at all... 

Yes, I think she was depressed, and also, as you said, that depression (and mental illness in general) was not understood in Valinor.  So Finwe not understanding why Miriel couldn’t find the will to keep living would have made it all all the harder, because it would be as if she were saying that he, and Feanor, weren’t enough to live for, and how can that not be painful?

The wedding ceremony

Very realistic aweful people (who could be you and me because most people are aweful like this).”

I’m glad you found it realistic!  It can be hard to sell random people being awful in a story lol  At least I think so sometimes, since we don’t get to see any of their motivations behind their words, and they are pretty much used solely for the purpose of our main character’s story line lol  So it’s good to hear it all turned out so well :)

Thank you again for the review!  I love that you have gotten me thinking again about the beginning of the story because I haven’t thought about it for too long :)

 

 



Author's Response:

Thank you for another great review!  It’s so wonderful to hear how much you enjoyed the story :)

I found it really interesting that you liked Indis character, since I think she is one of the weakest in the story (in so far as I think I didn’t give her enough depth), but that’s great that you were able to sympathize with her :)

I tend to have a problem with fics who are deliberatly negative on every (or almost every) female characters; it happens far too frequently with slash fictions, which is sad because those are mostly written by women. I also remember liking your Nerdanel and Elenwë so kudos for your women in general.

Thank you!  I actually used to worry that I was writing poor FC’s, but as I’ve developed as a writer I think they’ve gotten stronger and more well rounded.  To me what I look for and want in a female character and what I consider a strong female character is a complex one.  She can be a villain as long as her actions make sense and she has depth to her.  Just give me a woman I can really sink my teeth into! 

“Some of Finwë's hurt seeping through in this scene. We always see Fëanor being afraid of rejection, but obviously Finwë has to dealt with the same problem: since it's been said by the Valar that Miriel didn't want to return, he must have felt he refusal like a blow

Oh, I hadn’t actually thought of this before –Finwe feeling that sense of abandonment—but I like it a lot!  Yes, I can see his greif turning that way, and from this feeling of abandonment sprouted one of resentment, and from there he just locked his doors on Mirel and their memories together. 

“t's been pointed out (by Lintamandë I think) that depressions may be seriously misunderstood in Valinor, so Finwë wouldn't be able to understand her at all... 

Yes, I think she was depressed, and also, as you said, that depression (and mental illness in general) was not understood in Valinor.  So Finwe not understanding why Miriel couldn’t find the will to keep living would have made it all all the harder, because it would be as if she were saying that he, and Feanor, weren’t enough to live for, and how can that not be painful?

The wedding ceremony

Very realistic aweful people (who could be you and me because most people are aweful like this).”

I’m glad you found it realistic!  It can be hard to sell random people being awful in a story lol  At least I think so sometimes, since we don’t get to see any of their motivations behind their words, and they are pretty much used solely for the purpose of our main character’s story line lol  So it’s good to hear it all turned out so well :)

Thank you again for the review!  I love that you have gotten me thinking again about the beginning of the story because I haven’t thought about it for too long :)

 

 



Reviewer: Kalendeer Signed
Date: May 17, 2016 Title: Chapter 3: Chapter 3

Back for chapter 3 !

Indis's "plot" and making Fëanor go to a party

So obviously all descriptions of Indis's behavior are heavily biased there, leaving the reader to wonder if she is trully "ploting" or not, and I like that. It's possible that Indis is the kind of person with big words concerning education, perhaps she dislikes Fëanor, perhaps she tries to like him and help Finwë, since he looks pretty much lost (perhaps Indis could actually hire a nanny, even if it's kinda too late at this point ; looks like she has one in this chapter but what the hell was she doing before that point?).

As someone who believes that at least some discipline is important for children because it basically helps to understand boundaries in Big Bad Mean Society, I think Finwë handles it badly because he's trying something new and isn't explaining. I don't think parents have to explain every choice they make, but in Fëanor's case he is highly intelligent and curious and Finwë should understand, at this point, that his son has an obsession about inderstanding things.

I also have the fealing that when Finwë renounces the idea of sending Fëanor to lord Pelloch's son's begetting day celebration, he's not doing so because he understood his son but because he didn't have it in him to enforce discipline. Because Fëanor DOES behave here like a child throwing a huge tantrum, and Finwë is basically yielding to said tantrum.

So I really don't know if Indis is right or wrong here. Perhaps more discipline would have worked if Finwë had explained it better. Knowing your Fëanor, I also wonder how much she influences Finwë in this : we don't know if HE asked her counsels or if she gave them sponteanously.

I honestly pitied Finwë. As someone who doesn't like children and is easily annoyed by them (and have, and want none at this point, perhaps it's different when a child is your child), I think I would have lost patience very quickly with Fëanor. I understand he's autistic and different but still, I admit I wouldn't have reacted well to him hidding in the chest, and the scene may have turned at it did. Fëanor getting hurt was obviously an accident, I just can't hate Finwë for what happened or for the "bad" way he treated his son. A father's stamina just isn't infinite.

 

Fëanor and children

It's probably because in my country most children go to school at the age of three, but I was kinda shocked that he seems to have had so little interaction with children until he was seven. I think Indis is kinda right that they should try to mix him with other elflings, because that's, well, the normal thing to do.

I also think I would have hated him as child by the way he behaves, because people with autism can be very "cruel" to the ears of others without wanting to. I once met a girl who was writing a novel and I started to beta-read it with other people, and sometimes her characters would say truly terrible things that sounded perfectly normal and not at all unkind to her. When we pointed it out, the autor simply didn't understand what was wrong and why her characters were behaving in an "unrealistic" fashion, because they were following her line of thinking instead of ours.

We talked about it, and how she was often angry at the whole world because she had to make a conscious effort to understand social conventions all the time, but "normies" didn't have to. She always found unfair that she quickly annoys people while the world will never bend for her: people can't be bothered with shouldering part of her burden.

I think the same thing is going on with Fëanor, but neither he nor the children have the maturity to understand what is happening. I often like to describe him as someone who doesn't really speak the same language sometimes, or that some things get "lost in translation" concerning his relationships, unless he's interaction with someone who actually knows him. Before I had thorough conversations with this girl, I assumed she was a first-class bitch, while afterwars I often wondered, when she was mean, if she truly was or if we were just mistranslating each other.



Author's Response:

So obviously all descriptions of Indis's behavior are heavily biased there, leaving the reader to wonder if she is trully "ploting" or not, and I like that. It's possible that Indis is the kind of person with big words concerning education, perhaps she dislikes Fëanor, perhaps she tries to like him and help Finwë, since he looks pretty much lost (perhaps Indis could actually hire a nanny, even if it's kinda too late at this point ; looks like she has one in this chapter but what the hell was she doing before that point?).

I am glad that you liked that Indis’ motivations are unknown to us.  Of course Feanor has his own ideas, and strong ones at that!  But at this point in the story we don’t know what her motivations are (in fact we never get a deep look into her head and heart, which was why I said she was the FC with the least depth :).

As someone who believes that at least some discipline is important for children because it basically helps to understand boundaries in Big Bad Mean Society, I think Finwë handles it badly because he's trying something new and isn't explaining. I don't think parents have to explain every choice they make, but in Fëanor's case he is highly intelligent and curious and Finwë should understand, at this point, that his son has an obsession about inderstanding things.

Oh yes, Feanor does need discipline and boundaries, but Finwe is indeed going about it all wrong.  I don’t think Feanor should be forced into something he is so strongly against like this, Finwe should try to approach the issue from another way and see if he can’t find a solution that doesn’t turn it into a power struggle like this, and certainly not losing control of himself.

“I also have the fealing that when Finwë renounces the idea of sending Fëanor to lord Pelloch's son's begetting day celebration, he's not doing so because he understood his son but because he didn't have it in him to enforce discipline. Because Fëanor DOES behave here like a child throwing a huge tantrum, and Finwë is basically yielding to said tantrum.

Yes, you are right, Finwe is just giving in, which is not what Feanor needs.  I mean, I think Finwe never should have forced him to go like that and he shouldn’t force Feanor to go to more socializing events just because he’s started down a path and doesn’t think he can step off it without giving up ground.  There are other solutions he could have taken that would have allowed him to stay the parent and the one ultimately making the choices, but would have allowed Feanor to keep his dignity and show that Finwe was listening to him without it turning into Feanor throwing a tantrum and ultimately getting his way.  It was just badly done all around :(

“I honestly pitied Finwë. As someone who doesn't like children and is easily annoyed by them (and have, and want none at this point, perhaps it's different when a child is your child), I think I would have lost patience very quickly with Fëanor. I understand he's autistic and different but still, I admit I wouldn't have reacted well to him hidding in the chest, and the scene may have turned at it did. Fëanor getting hurt was obviously an accident, I just can't hate Finwë for what happened or for the "bad" way he treated his son. A father's stamina just isn't infinite.

I can sympathize with you about not wanting children, I to never plan on having any.  Feanor would be a child that drove his parent up the wall some days, but I think he’d also be one of the loveliest children imaginable at other times :) 

“It's probably because in my country most children go to school at the age of three

Three!  Wow, that’s young.  I’m really curious to know what country you live in now!  Where I live school isn’t mandatory until kindergarten which is 5-6 years old.

“I think Indis is kinda right that they should try to mix him with other elflings, because that's, well, the normal thing to do.

I can see what you’re saying here, but I also think about how it can be really harmful for a child to be forced into socializing when they are like Feanor is.  Would more interactions with children his age have really helped him or would it have just been one painful memory after the other?  I am really scared the result would have been would be an adult Feanor so withdrawn into himself he’d developed an extreme dislike for interacting with other human beings and locked himself away, alone, with whatever new thing he was studying.  I really really fear this could have been his future is things had gone differently in his childhood.  Of course there were tons of mistakes Finwe made, and we see the result in an adult Feanor who is the result of Finwe’s poor parenting (I mean in the way Feanor is forever insecure in his father’s love.  Finwe giving into Feanor as a child was not demonstrating love, rather the opposite, it was demonstrating how Feanor was too much for Finwe to handle and he just wanted him to go away.  Parents set boundaries because they love their children, and Feanor wasn’t able to feel that).

“We talked about it, and how she was often angry at the whole world because she had to make a conscious effort to understand social conventions all the time, but "normies" didn't have to. She always found unfair that she quickly annoys people while the world will never bend for her: people can't be bothered with shouldering part of her burden.

That’s a really sad thing to hear, but I can see it in our world, yes.  Some of it –actually probably most of it—is born from people’s ignorance (and I am not excluding myself from this).  How many people understood that she was not trying to be cruel but honestly didn’t see what was wrong with what she was saying?  Not many I would wager, and so they of course either lashed out back at her or kept away :(

“I often like to describe him as someone who doesn't really speak the same language sometimes, or that some things get "lost in translation" concerning his relationships, unless he's interaction with someone who actually knows him.

Ahhh!  I think this is a good way to describe him!  Yes, he doesn’t speak the same language as the people around him in many ways, and we can see the evidence of that frustration build over the years.  But he does have people around him who understand him, and for that I am so grateful!

 

Thank you for the lovely review!  Your reviews have gotten me thinking about the story again, and that’s something I’m really grateful for:)