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Name: ziggy (Signed) · Date: July 15, 2017 18:09 · For: Chapter 42

OK- I'm all caught up now. Well- that's a real marathon piece of writing you've been doing. I am really caught up in the Elrond/ Celebrian story now havingnever been much interested in them. But poor Celebrimbor- I am dreading how that is going to pan out, and Gil-Galad. I was hoping Elmiron's mirror was going to be a plot line - that was wonderfully written, but killing him off , though unkind having made us love him, was probably necessary. I love the way you keep weaving in the glimpses of Fingon and Maedhros, of the Silmaril and the Three, and am really looking forward to seeing how you work this out. An epic though- you have HUNDREDS of chpaters to go- whoohoo!



Author's Response:

“I am really caught up in the Elrond/ Celebrian story now havingnever been much interested in them. 

I understand, those character we have invested a lot of time into in our own writing are the ones we are usually the most attached to in other’s writing as well.  I am pleased that their storyline was able to captivate you!

“I was hoping Elmiron's mirror was going to be a plot line - that was wonderfully written, but killing him off , though unkind having made us love him, was probably necessary.

Yeah, as much as I would have loved to give me a longer life, it was not only necessary he died for Celebrimbor’s destruction/storyline, but also he couldn’t have been still around in the Third Age or we would have heard something about him, he was a Feanorion after all lol

“An epic though- you have HUNDREDS of chpaters to go- whoohoo!

Don’t remind me!!  Lol  we haven’t even started the last story!

 

Thank you again, so much :hugs:



Name: ziggy (Signed) · Date: July 15, 2017 17:11 · For: Chapter 37

Oh my. This chapter blazes with energy. The most textured and sensual descriptions, but also the most dynamic narrative so far. So much happening, from the beautiful description of Elmiron's exploration of the Song- and that was very very superbly written- to this terrible falling and Celebrimbor's god-like saving of them all with the Three. Wonderful sense of the supernatural, the Power and magic of this world, and the drama of Sauron's return. Really exceptional writing.



Author's Response:

Ziggy!  I am glad to hear from you :hugs:  Thank you so much for taking all the time to read and review, it really was some mammoth updates!

“to this terrible falling and Celebrimbor's god-like saving of them all with the Three. Wonderful sense of the supernatural, the Power and magic of this world,

Oooh!  I love that Celebrimbor came away with a god-like feel in that moment!  I couldn’t have wished for more!  Wielding the Three, all at once, he must have surpassed any Elf since Feanor wearing all three Silmarils in god-like Power and image, so I am so pleased it came across well in the writing!

 

Thank you again for the review!  It’s wonderful to hear you are enjoying the story!



Name: merwinem (Signed) · Date: July 07, 2017 14:25 · For: Chapter 42
Wow, what an update! So much information I need to sort through!

I just love how Feanor, Curufin, Celebrimbor, and Elmirion are all named Curufinwe in your fic. Also, I can’t believe it took me this long to realize that Elmirion is a homage to Miriel.

I liked that the Three contain pieces of the fea of Feanor, Curufin, and Celebrimbor, three of the greatest craftsmen of the House of Feanor. In canon I rather like the idea that the names of the Three Rings match the locations of the Silmarils – in the fires of the Earth (Fire), in the sky (Air), and in the ocean (Water). Obviously, in this story Maglor still has his Silmaril, so that equivalency is invalid anyway, and the change you made for Nenya makes sense.

Now I’m burning with curiosity – how does Galadriel get her hands on a Ring? And which Ring is it? Is it Nenya as in canon (and how will she get it from Maglor)? Or maybe she thinks it is Nenya, but in reality it is one of the lesser rings (perhaps Gildor’s Ring of Water)? But surely it’s not safe to use the lesser rings with the One still around… I was hoping this update would clear things up, but now I have even more questions!

Now the heavier stuff… I suppose I’m not the only reader who expected Elmirion to get tortured through Annatar’s mark and Celebrian to be the one who puts him out of his misery. But expecting it didn’t make it easier to read. The part where Celebrimbor finds Elmirion’s body actually made me cry, the last paragraph in that section was especially heart-wrenching. Elmirion being the reason for Celebrimbor’s complete breakdown is… absolutely horrible, and it’s written so well. The whole thing is so tragic because Celebrimbor basically became Curufin. It is so… horribly appropriate, somehow. He is truly the blood of Feanor and Curufin, he has both the greatness and the madness of that bloodline. And maybe he had to become completely broken in order to truly relate to his father and understand his actions and behaviour in the First Age. Since both of them have experienced this all-consuming loss, their relationship should be stronger after rebirth (it’s not much of a silver lining, though).

As for Elmirion… OCs can be difficult to relate to, but I do like the ones you’ve written in your fics. They are appropriate to the setting, which I believe is the most important factor when writing. I would love to see more of Elmirion after rebirth, and I hope he will get his happy ending. For some reason I’m shipping him with Maeglin. It’s strange, because they are such opposites – Elmirion had a loving and supportive family growing up, while Maeglin’s childhood was a trainwreck, and, unlike Maeglin, Elmirion seemed very innocent, very trusting, and (mostly) untouched by evil. They do have some similarities – they are both great craftsmen, and their ages at the time of death were similar. I hope they can at least be friends.

It’s good that Elmirion was spared having to go through centuries of suffering before death. But the torture at the end was so extreme, a couple of months of it might have done the same amount of damage a whole Age did for the other Feanorions. Hmm, I wonder if the Valar will put his fea in the chamber with the kinslayers. I hope they do, Elmirion might be able to offer Curufin some much-needed comfort (Curufin might even recognize him). Also, I cannot stand the idea of Elmirion being alone without family close by for thousands of years.

The reunion of the remaining Finweions was totally not what I was expecting. It’s realistic that there wasn’t an instant connection between Glorfindel and Maglor and Celebrimbor given Elmirion’s death and Celebrimbor’s breakdown, but it was heart-breaking all the same. At least Maglor and Elrond had a heart-to-heart talk, and I’m glad Gildor is attempting to deal with Annatar’s violation of him. The brief glimpse of Elrond with Celebrian was nice, too. I loved the Finweions discussing Galadriel’s memory block and what to do with it. This gives me hope that the members of the Houses of Feanor, Fingolfin, and Finarfin can work together without killing each other. I’m a bit worried about Maglor’s visit to Galadriel – is she going to overpower him somehow and take Nenya?

As for Glorfindel and Fingon… Hmm… I didn’t see that coming. Obviously I remember he had a crush on Fingon, but he also had one on Feanor. I assumed it was a childish infatuation, but now you seem to be portraying it as something deeper, more meaningful. And of course we have Maglor’s attraction to Maedhros. This is going to cause a lot of angst after everyone is reborn… Not that angst is necessarily bad. I think Maglor’s attraction to Maedhros was set up pretty well (it fits within the broader narrative), but I’m not sure I’m convinced as far as Glorfindel and Fingon are concerned (not yet, at any rate).

Thanks for the update, the chapters were wonderful and you’ve given me a lot to think about!

Author's Response:

First, thank you so much for this fantastic review, and I apologize for how late my reply is in coming!

“I just love how Feanor, Curufin, Celebrimbor, and Elmirion are all named Curufinwe in your fic. Also, I can’t believe it took me this long to realize that Elmirion is a homage to Miriel.”

I have to admit that I am a bit proud of that too lol  But I actually didn’t notice the connection to Míriel until now.  I liked the idea of Elmirion’s being named something with star in it, and liked the way star-jewel sounded.  I do not give much thought into OCs names when they only show up for a few lines, and just grab a random elf name off a generator, but I probably spent the most time constructing Elmirion’s name then I had any OCs before this.

“I liked that the Three contain pieces of the fea of Feanor, Curufin, and Celebrimbor, three of the greatest craftsmen of the House of Feanor. In canon I rather like the idea that the names of the Three Rings match the locations of the Silmarils – in the fires of the Earth (Fire), in the sky (Air), and in the ocean (Water). Obviously, in this story Maglor still has his Silmaril, so that equivalency is invalid anyway, and the change you made for Nenya makes sense.”

Yeah, in cannon I like that connection to the Silmarils too, but in the story Celebrimbor’s connection to his father and grandfather is so strong and filled with longing that it felt right that his greatest work tied back to them.  As for Nenya’s change I am glad to hear it made sense!  Half the time I actually forget that Galadriel had the ring of water since I connected it with white light in my head, and used to think Elrond had the ring of water for the longest of time because of the water horses in the movie.

“Now I’m burning with curiosity – how does Galadriel get her hands on a Ring? And which Ring is it? Is it Nenya as in canon (and how will she get it from Maglor)? Or maybe she thinks it is Nenya, but in reality it is one of the lesser rings (perhaps Gildor’s Ring of Water)? But surely it’s not safe to use the lesser rings with the One still around… I was hoping this update would clear things up, but now I have even more questions!”

Galadriel getting her ring was a big stumbling block in figuring out the story, because I could not see Celebrimbor ever giving it to her.  You will have to see what happens (I am trying not to blurt everything out and spoil :)).  What an interesting idea tho that she only thought she had Nenya but it was a lesser ring!  I really like that, and it begs the question of who has the last of the Three?

“ The part where Celebrimbor finds Elmirion’s body actually made me cry, the last paragraph in that section was especially heart-wrenching. Elmirion being the reason for Celebrimbor’s complete breakdown is… absolutely horrible, and it’s written so well.

Thank you!  As horrible as it is to say, I am thrilled I made you cry!  It feels good to know you were so moved by the characters/story.  I cried a bucket load myself.

“The whole thing is so tragic because Celebrimbor basically became Curufin. It is so… horribly appropriate, somehow.”

When I realized Celebrimbor was going to transform into essentially Curufin, it was one of those moments in writing when I got chills.  Sometimes when writing things just come together all at once, and things I didn’t see coming in the story fall on me, and this was one of those moments.  It felt perfect that Celebrimbor would become Curufin, even though it was so tragic because this was why he left his father/family.   But it’s also like you said:  “And maybe he had to become completely broken in order to truly relate to his father and understand his actions and behaviour in the First Age. Since both of them have experienced this all-consuming loss, their relationship should be stronger after rebirth (it’s not much of a silver lining, though).”

Yes!  He already missed his father and regretted not sticking with his family, but now he can really understand what made his father the way he was, and forgive.  When he is reborn, he will have a stronger relationship with his father because of this.  So yeah, the silver lining is there, it still breaks my heart.

“I would love to see more of Elmirion after rebirth, and I hope he will get his happy ending. For some reason I’m shipping him with Maeglin. It’s strange, because they are such opposites – Elmirion had a loving and supportive family growing up, while Maeglin’s childhood was a trainwreck, and, unlike Maeglin, Elmirion seemed very innocent, very trusting, and (mostly) untouched by evil. They do have some similarities – they are both great craftsmen, and their ages at the time of death were similar. I hope they can at least be friends.”

I had SO much indecision about writing Elrmirion, because: Celebrimbor and Celebrain’s OC son?  That could have gone way wrong.  But he came to me so strongly, and his place in the narrative of Celebrimbor’s destruction, that I could do nothing but write him.

It is interesting that you mentioned Maeglin because I do have both their re-births pretty well planned and they are defiantly friends, and I even considered them for lovers.  I would have loved seeing the Maeglin you read with Elrimion, but I am doing a re-write of Maeglin’s story and his character has changed A LOT, and I think this new Maeglin and Elmirion would make great friends, but lovers wouldn’t have that tension that is needed to make a relationship interesting for me to write :) (tho maybe I am speaking too soon!  We will have to see what happens when the actual writing starts.  Sometimes, the characters want what they want lol)

“Hmm, I wonder if the Valar will put his fea in the chamber with the kinslayers. I hope they do, Elmirion might be able to offer Curufin some much-needed comfort (Curufin might even recognize him). Also, I cannot stand the idea of Elmirion being alone without family close by for thousands of years.”

I actually hadn’t thought of where he went, I suppose I assumed the Hall of Kinslayers, but unless he went there because of his Feanorion blood alone, I don’t see why Namo would have put him there…Namo is pretty big on the veneer of justice.  Would he see a choice to put Elmriion in the Hall of the Kinslayers as revenge?  I need to think on this….there are some others who wouldn’t be in the Hall of Kinslayers like Finrod, Gwindor, Gil-galad when he dies (oh my god that is a sucker-punch!  I just realized Gil-galad is going to be separated from Fingon in death!  NOOOO!)

“The reunion of the remaining Finweions was totally not what I was expecting. It’s realistic that there wasn’t an instant connection between Glorfindel and Maglor and Celebrimbor given Elmirion’s death and Celebrimbor’s breakdown, but it was heart-breaking all the same.”

I know!  I had in my head when I was writing Maglor and Glorfindel’s storyline back when Maglor saved Glorfindel from Numinor that once they got to Celebrimbor, things would start looking up for Celebrimbor (that was before I knew exactly how things went down for Celebrimbor).  But while they have been some small comfort…or at least Maglor singing has been so far, their presence wasn’t a miracle worker.  Which is, like you said, realistic.  It makes me wonder how things will go down once everyone is reborn.  Of course so much pain will be soothed because they will be together again, but all the scars of their first lives will still be there.  But if there wasn’t things to work out, it wouldn’t be interesting to write :)

“I’m a bit worried about Maglor’s visit to Galadriel – is she going to overpower him somehow and take Nenya? 

I can’t say :tights hands together: I am so terrible with giving too many spoils, I am trying to be better!

“As for Glorfindel and Fingon… Hmm… I didn’t see that coming. Obviously I remember he had a crush on Fingon, but he also had one on Feanor. I assumed it was a childish infatuation, but now you seem to be portraying it as something deeper, more meaningful. And of course we have Maglor’s attraction to Maedhros. This is going to cause a lot of angst after everyone is reborn… Not that angst is necessarily bad. I think Maglor’s attraction to Maedhros was set up pretty well (it fits within the broader narrative), but I’m not sure I’m convinced as far as Glorfindel and Fingon are concerned (not yet, at any rate).”

Ah!  Do you remember that I told you I’d gone back to do some editing/re-writing in Vengeance 1?  Well when I first wrote Glorfindel and Fingon I had the same impression of their relationship as you do: I thought it was more a crush than anything.  But when I read through it again, it really stuck out to me and made me think it was more than a crush.  Even after Glorfindel was an adult, he still believed himself in love with Fingon (I am thinking of a scene between him and Fingolfin when they were pretty newly come to Beleriand).  His feeling for Feanor were the true infatuation, for he didn’t know Feanor.  It was a boy’s hero worship/desire.  But Fingon he knew well.  However, I don’t think the Glorfindel of right now is in love with Fingon like he was in his first life.  In his first life, Fingon was everything he ever wanted, and would have made a good lover for him since Fingon would have never hurt him and would have treated him right, unlike Ecthelion.  But in this life he is growing into someone else, and I don’t think the person he finally grows into would be as good a match with Fingon (tho the desire is still there.  Fingon will always be his first love and have a place in his heart).  But now I have gone and written about things that you haven’t had a chance to read yet, sorry!

I’d love to hear if, by the end of Vengeance 2, you buy Glorfindel’s love for Fingon or not :)

 

Thank you so, so much for this review!  It was incredible! 



Name: Spiced Wine (Signed) · Date: July 06, 2017 22:38 · For: Chapter 41
I almost cannot bear Glorfindel's memories of Fingon and Fingolfin. I knew he must have grieved for them, but this is like a spear to the heart. God. The bloody wreckage of this road is so, so hard!


There is a part of me that would love to see Glorfindel with Fingon and Maedhros, I cannot deny it. But I understand his hungers and why he would daydream of such a threesome if he could not have Fingon.
But I don't know who, save for Maglor when he lets slip his chains, would give him the 'roughness' he wants, save for his grandfather of course.

God these poor poor souls, Thank goodness Gil galad has finally scoundrel out his father was not a rapist. To live with that must have been dreadful, and I hope that Galadriel will be made to remember and perhaps that will make her face those parts of herself which are not exactly laudable. In many ways I kind of do feel for her, because in a different society she would have made a great queen, but within the Noldorin society, it just didn't happen, and she was wrong to try and force it, though she had her reasons.

So many of these wonderful characters just seem to be hanging on by the merest thread. Glorfindel is still haunted by the past, although he can overcome it now. But when I reread Revolutionary, of how it was, even though it was not ideal, and got worse, and then realise again how many are gone now, it is really more than heartbreaking. But incredible, wonderful writing, really superlative

Author's Response:

I almost cannot bear Glorfindel's memories of Fingon and Fingolfin. I knew he must have grieved for them, but this is like a spear to the heart. God. The bloody wreckage of this road is so, so hard!

I know exactly what you mean!  I balled my eyes out writing them.  And I felt such a desolation that his life must have been after Fingon died.  The death of hope.  He had spent all those years in Gondolin trying to cling to the hope of something better waiting for him if he could only get out, but after Fingon died, if felt like there was nothing left anywhere.

“There is a part of me that would love to see Glorfindel with Fingon and Maedhros, I cannot deny it. But I understand his hungers and why he would daydream of such a threesome if he could not have Fingon. 
But I don't know who, save for Maglor when he lets slip his chains, would give him the 'roughness' he wants, save for his grandfather of course.”

Well, I have certainly thought about at least having a night with the three of them together!  But it wouldn’t be like Glorfindel’s painful fantasies where they treat him like that, we know Maedhros and Fingon wouldn’t really act like that, but Glorfindel’s mind was so poisoned by Irime and his own self-hatred that in his fantasies they treated him poorly.  The reality would be lots of fun to write :grins:  As far who Glorfindel ends up with, it took me a looooong time to figure out who it was, and I thought for a while that he would end up with no one specific.  Who it is will be revealed soon!

“I hope that Galadriel will be made to remember and perhaps that will make her face those parts of herself which are not exactly laudable. In many ways I kind of do feel for her, because in a different society she would have made a great queen, but within the Noldorin society, it just didn't happen, and she was wrong to try and force it, though she had her reasons.

You surprised me with this!  I did not expect you to feel bad for her, but am glad the story was able to pull up a little of that feeling.  I feel bad for her, and pity her, and hope she fixes herself (and think she does make a lot of growth before she sails), but I also get really frustrated with her slow-grind of character growth.  It’s been Ages, and she still keeps making the same mistakes! 

“So many of these wonderful characters just seem to be hanging on by the merest thread. Glorfindel is still haunted by the past, although he can overcome it now. But when I reread Revolutionary, of how it was, even though it was not ideal, and got worse, and then realise again how many are gone now, it is really more than heartbreaking. But incredible, wonderful writing, really superlative

Thank you!  I was editing the beginning of Vengeance where some of the most painful scenes of Glorfindel and Irime are not long ago, and it hit me like a punch all over again what she did to him.  (And I am re-writing Maeglin’s story, and Glorfindel during his years in Gondolin are some of the hardest to write.  He is in so much pain!)

 

Thank you again so much for these reviews, and forgive me please for the late replies!  



Name: Spiced Wine (Signed) · Date: July 06, 2017 21:38 · For: Chapter 38
God, this was gruelling to read, so much pain, and I found myself forgetting that these amazing, suffering complex characters such as Celebrimbor and Gil-galas still have their deaths to come. They are so vividly alive, that's the thing, so 'here' and all the memories and flashbacks of the others, I forget they're dead and then I remember and it's looked a dreadful loss all over again. You cannot ilmahine, or maybe you can! How I long for their reunions, for them to be here and alive again, because without them the worlds lacks colour.

I am so very glad that Maglor and Glorfindel are still there, up until the end, because it is like a torch in a darkening world.

So great the need, the desire that Celebrimbor has to bring them back, and I feel it, I know how he feels, and then I remember he has yet to meet his own death at the hands of the one who killed his son so cruelly, so horrendously, and Gil galad will die, and I just want to break down. This road has been so tortuous for the Noldor, grief after grief and the only way this can even marginally be healed is to bring them back.

Just splendid and unstinting in its richness and darkness and pain.

Author's Response:

“How I long for their reunions, for them to be here and alive again, because without them the worlds lacks colour. “

Knowing they would be reborn, is seriously the only thing that gets me through death scenes like theirs!  I cannot stand to think of a world in which they are not reborn, where they are entrapped in Mandos until the World’s Breaking.  Nope. 

“I am so very glad that Maglor and Glorfindel are still there, up until the end, because it is like a torch in a darkening world. “

Yes, even though they hadn’t been able to really reach him (yet?), at least they are there with him, and are there with the others too.  This is such a hard time for the House of Finwe….well, actually, is there any time that is not?  Even the seemingly peaceful TA has the long shadow of all the holes missing from the world where the dead once walked, and the slow fading of the Elves.

“This road has been so tortuous for the Noldor, grief after grief and the only way this can even marginally be healed is to bring them back. “

Yes, so much.  It really is grief after grief, and it is not even over yet!  But they will come back, blazing even more brightly than before, and they will be together.

 

Thank you for the review!  It made me so happy to hear how much you enjoyed the chapters!!!



Name: Spiced Wine (Signed) · Date: July 06, 2017 18:46 · For: Chapter 38
These chapters were magnificent although they left me an emotional wreck. What these people go through is just too much for me, but you are so skilled so brilliant at this, that I feel as if they told you their tales personally. Just incredible. And the additions to the previous chapters just broke my heart again. Brava!

Author's Response:

Thank you!

“they left me an emotional wreck.”

 

They left me the same after writing them!  I have always been a crier as a writer, but seriously, I think I’ve developed a seriously problem since I cry about once a chapter now lol  It’s these characters!  I know them a lot better than I did when I first started written them, like Celebrimbor for instance, I know him and his family, his roots, and how much pain they have all already suffered, some it’s like a snowball effect.  I was writing his death scene (something I had told myself I was not going to do, but then it hit me over the head and I couldn’t not write it), and I bawled my eyes out writing it.  So lots more cheerful chapters to come lol



Name: mangacrack (Signed) · Date: June 27, 2017 11:08 · For: Chapter 36

Oh yes, I'm definitely going to write something about Celebrimbor's son. Especially since he and the twins are probably never going to meet? At least not in Middle Earth. Might take a little time, but hell yeah. My fingers are itching for it.

Mainly, because there are so many options? So many ways Elmírion's existence can influence the 3rd Age.

*makes grabby motions*

Same goes for Celeborn and Galadriel, by the way. because how, one grandchild, one son and one ruined marriage. Given how stubborn Celeborn is, I find Galadriel is less at fault than him. Sure, she's not a good person, but she is at least willing and capable of growing fast her faults. Celeborn just ... refuses. He'll end up hurting himself far more than anyone else. What does he expect? That people start bowing to him, going on their knees because he's a Sindar Prince?

I admit that I always had a soft spot for Galadriel, but with recent events I like Celeborn even less. Of course, that makes him a good antagonist, like Turgon for example.

But god, there should be a point in the future where Celeborn realizes that he destroyed his own life. It's his own responsebility. Especially since lust and love has to be built on something. Galadriel is not going to wait for him. Why? When she has and will move on. I can understand her for not apologizing to Celeborn, since he's not willing to forgive ... let alone understand. His pride is cause for so much damage, the atmosphere in Lothlorien must be hell. And here I wondered why Oropher built his own Kingdom. But I can see, why he rather deals with the Noldor on his own, than be involved into that kind of madness.

... and if Lindon is truly that petty and filled with rumors, I pity Elrond for having to deal with them once Imladris is founded. All these Noldor fraction in one realm.

*cackles* You're are well of inspiration.



Author's Response:

Oh yes, I'm definitely going to write something about Celebrimbor's son. Especially since he and the twins are probably never going to meet? At least not in Middle Earth. Might take a little time, but hell yeah. My fingers are itching for it.

Mainly, because there are so many options? So many ways Elmírion's existence can influence the 3rd Age.”

Yes, as you have guest, he never got to meet the twins.  And there really are so many ways his existence would have shaped the 3rd Age differently.  Not only because of his place in the lives of those who lived it, but also because he was, as you might guess from the story so far, a gifted craftsman.  What objects of Power might he have forged that shaped the world just like his forefathers? 

Sure, she's not a good person, but she is at least willing and capable of growing fast her faults. Celeborn just ... refuses. He'll end up hurting himself far more than anyone else. What does he expect? That people start bowing to him, going on their knees because he's a Sindar Prince?

Ah, this is an interesting point.  Galadriel is surprisingly the one more capable of change (and I think that even holds with cannon too.  When Celeborn met the Fellowship, he was still as stuck in his hatred and suspicion of the Dwarves as ever.)  Celeborn will not let go of the past, he nurses his grudges against the Noldor and the Dwarves like no one’s business, and this bitterness and hate has been slow poison in his veins, until he has become the man he is now.  If he does not learn to forgive, he is going to be stuff in the past forever.

“... and if Lindon is truly that petty and filled with rumors, I pity Elrond for having to deal with them once Imladris is founded. All these Noldor fraction in one realm.

I was thinking about this more after I posted my reply, and I think Lindon has three main types of Elves: 1. Elves born in the 2nd Age who have lived their whole lives under Gil-galad’s rule and grown up in the diverse and more open society he has worked hard to build.  2.  Elves born before the 2nd Age who carried the war/guilt/shame on their backs from the First Age, but have learned to heal and grow and leave the past in the past.  3.  Elves who as of Celeborn’s mold, the kind that are stuck in the past, either they cannot forgive, or they are stubbornly refusing to admit/are still blind to the fact that the Noldor committed atrocities in Beleriand (I think Elves of Gondolin are the majority of this group because they committed the greatest crimes of oppression, and so it will be hardest for them to look in the mirror and really face themselves and what they have done/been a party to by their silence.), but there are plenty of other Noldor who fit in this category too, others who were prejudiced about something or another and refuse to grow out of their ignorance, or ones that lost people in the war/Sirion Kinslaying and cannot forgive.

As for Imladirs, I think there was a great ship building at the end of the 2nd Age, and many of the Elves of Lindon sailed.  Not all, I think some remained in Lindon too, and some moved to Imladis.  But Imladis wasn’t really that big of a valley, it couldn’t have supported a population as big as say, Gondolin’s.

“*cackles* You're are well of inspiration.

 

I am glad I could be of some small help!  I love it when I get inspiration from you too, dear friend :hugs:



Name: mangacrack (Signed) · Date: June 23, 2017 16:24 · For: Chapter 36

My HEART. My poor, poor heart. I still fear for Elmírion's life, though he's fine ... for now. HE DESERVES TO LIVE. Annatar is not allowed to lay a hand upon him. It's good to see that even Annatar shies away from killing a child, even if it's for the wrong reasons.

Perhaps he has slowly grown a heart, but as we know it's not enough to safe either of them. Though Celebrimbor's death will break Mairon, leaving only Sauron.

Gosh, I really, really hope that Elmírion survives. Though, ... I don't really see it? As a Feanorian, he would not be the type to rest idle and there are no mentions of the twins having an older brother.

... Will he die in the Last Alliance, perhaps? There're so many possebilities and even worse than Elmírion dying, is the thought of Elladan and Elrohir never going to know their half-brother.

Hell, if you don't write it, I WILL. I swear to Eru, I will write the probably badly needed fix-it. Actually I might write something, regardless how this turns out ... if I have your permission?

Though I wonder what Gil-galad thinks? How are his feeling for Celebrimbor during this entire affair? Is Elmírion's existence public knowledge? Or will it die with the Last Alliance and Elrond's children will never learn of it? 

*tries to ignore all the bad stuff looming on the horizon*



Author's Response:

“My HEART. My poor, poor heart. I still fear for Elmírion's life, though he's fine ... for now. HE DESERVES TO LIVE. Annatar is not allowed to lay a hand upon him. It's good to see that even Annatar shies away from killing a child, even if it's for the wrong reasons.

Elmírion does deserve to live…maybe he will.  Maybe he won’t.  We will see!

I am glad that it came across when in the story that Annatar was unable to kill Elmírion.  But yeah, it was for totally the wrong reasons.  He can kill a child and not blink, but Elmírion looked too much like Celebrimbor, and Celebrimbor Annatar cannot quite bring himself to kill.  (we will see what happens in the future when Celebrimbor is captured!)

“As a Feanorian, he would not be the type to rest idle and there are no mentions of the twins having an older brother.

You are right.  He wouldn’t have sat out on the sidelines, and the twins had no idea they had an older brother.

“Hell, if you don't write it, I WILL. I swear to Eru, I will write the probably badly needed fix-it. Actually I might write something, regardless how this turns out ... if I have your permission?

Oh yes please!  Oh my gosh, will you really?  I hope you do!!!  Will you right something with Elmírion meeting the twins?  My heart longs for that meeting!  Or something else, whatever you want, this just makes me so excited!

“Though I wonder what Gil-galad thinks? How are his feeling for Celebrimbor during this entire affair? Is Elmírion's existence public knowledge? Or will it die with the Last Alliance and Elrond's children will never learn of it?”

We will see Gil-galad’s thoughts soon!  And yes, Elmírion’s existence is not a secret…though I wonder how many people in the other Elven realms really pay attention to it?  In Lindon, it would be a vague bit of gossip from that city out in the middle of nowhere that, can you believe it, actually are best friends with Dwarves?  Have you heard that rumor that an Elf actually married one of those goat-faced creatures?  How repulsive.

Oh maybe it’s not half this bad.  Maybe only Sindar and Silvan Elves think that badly of Dwarves.  And depending on how big the trade is between Ost-in-Edhil and Lindon, Ost-in-Edhil could be anything from an uncivilized frontier town to most Lindon Elves that they’d barely heard of, to their biggest trading partner, and have you seen so and so’s new necklace?  Ost-in-Edhil-made, you know, only the finest for so and so, that family is filthy rich.

 

 



Name: mangacrack (Signed) · Date: June 23, 2017 16:06 · For: Chapter 35

Oh my god, I can't believe my eyes! Celebrimbor is going to be a father. Or at least, I HOPE SO! Don't dare to harm the child, it would break me ... and Celebrimbor beyond compare. Though it's obvious someone had a hand in this. Annatar? I don't think so, is he powerful enough for this? Overriding the heart and mind of two strong willed Elves is no small feat, I believe it's more a Valar having their hand in this. 
But Celeborn ... you've no right to speak bad of your wife. You're no better than her. Though Galadriel would've tried to be a part of her grandchild's life at least, though her intentions and her influence might not do anything good for the boy. Still, I like the entire scenario. That Celeborn must face his less than perfect daughter, who suddenly reminds him of Galadriel again. Rebellious. 
I mean, how can he be disgusted by his own grandchild?!?! Celeborn! 
Though I like the development, since its consequences are going to stretch far into the 3rd Age. Regardless if the child survives or not. And it's not that unreasonable, though my headcanon always was that Tauriel from the Hobbit Movies must have Feanorian blood. Never got around in writing it, but always thought that Celebrimbor had to her father. With Thranduil's sister maybe. Though the important thing is, that the House of Feanor should not die out. It needs to survive. 
Personally I love stories, where cosmic balance is involved and with everything that has happened, I don't think it's good for Arda if the House of Feanor dies out completely. Even if Elrond counts (he should), it's questionable if it's enough. Looking ahead, how the Noldor will fade and how Elladan dreams of bringing the old times back, I don't think so. 
But Annatar still worries me. I don't know if he's responsible for the development, but he's capable for child murder. And worse. 



Author's Response:

“Oh my god, I can't believe my eyes! Celebrimbor is going to be a father. Or at least, I HOPE SO! Don't dare to harm the child, it would break me ... and Celebrimbor beyond compare.

I am ecstatic that you like this development (I was a bit nervous on the response :)).  But, I am afraid I can make no promises about Elmírion’s continued good health….don’t kill me!

“Though it's obvious someone had a hand in this. Annatar? I don't think so, is he powerful enough for this? Overriding the heart and mind of two strong willed Elves is no small feat, I believe it's more a Valar having their hand in this.”

I debated with myself if Annatar had this power, but in the end I decided that he was able to overthrow Celebrimbor’s mind because Celebrimbor trusted him, and that gave Annatar a foothold through which to slither into Celebrimbor mind while he slept.  As for Celebrían, she is also a lot younger.  She still has to grow into her full power, and even then, she will not be as powerful as Celebrimbor or her mother because the Tree Light did strengthen the bodies and minds of the Elves, and Celebrían never saw it.

“But Celeborn ... you've no right to speak bad of your wife. You're no better than her. Though Galadriel would've tried to be a part of her grandchild's life at least, though her intentions and her influence might not do anything good for the boy. Still, I like the entire scenario. That Celeborn must face his less than perfect daughter, who suddenly reminds him of Galadriel again. Rebellious.  
I mean, how can he be disgusted by his own grandchild?!?! Celeborn! 

Yay!  I am glad you liked it :)  And I agree that Galadreil would have wanted to be a part of her grandson’s life, regardless of how she hated the father, but her pride stands in her way, as also.  To come back to Ost-in-Edhil would feel like getting on her knees to her.  As for Celeborn, oh, his hatred of the Feanorions is so thick and bitter in his mouth, I fear that, tho he would have tried to accept and love the child, he would never had been able to stop seeing Kinslayers inside that face.  (Celeborn’s refusal to forgive is the greatest stumbling block in his path.  It is destroying him.  And if he cannot bring himself to let go, he will never either find peace nor truly be a part of his daughter’s life again).

Personally I love stories, where cosmic balance is involved and with everything that has happened, I don't think it's good for Arda if the House of Feanor dies out completely. Even if Elrond counts (he should), it's questionable if it's enough. Looking ahead, how the Noldor will fade and how Elladan dreams of bringing the old times back, I don't think so.”

I like this thought!  In cannon tho, there really is just Elrond left…I wouldn’t put his children in the Feanorion category, even tho Elrond is a Feanorion by choice.  Tho, depending on your headcaonnon, Maglor is still out there somewhere too.  But I like the idea of the Feanorions still having a representative among the living, remembering them as they were, raising on their beliefs. 

 

Thank you for the review! 



Name: mangacrack (Signed) · Date: June 18, 2017 12:05 · For: Chapter 34

I just love how Celebrimbor's longing for his family creeps up on him. That the littlest thing can trigger a memory, because Celebrimbor used to have so much family around him. Like with every breath he takes he feels their absence, a dark black hole in the back of his mind where his uncles should be. And it affects him more than others, the Feanorians were the Sons of Fire. His own is enough to keep him alive, but Celebrimbor knows he's alone. There's a difference between a candle flickering in the wind and the bonfire he was born into. 

As for the questions of "deserving" love ... can someone tell Celebrimbor  that no one deserves forgiveness? Either you've sinned through your actions or you're at fault for not doing something. But I love the friendship between Celebrimbor and Gildor. They're clinging to each other and it DEPRESSES me thinking that one day Gildor will be the last Finwion (4th Age) on this side of the sea. Not counting Glorfindel and Maglor, because they weren't in the thick of it from start to finish. 

In a way I'm sorry for Gildor. He's the eternal survivor. But when I think of his conversation with Elladan later on, I don't think he regrets it. Someone has to survive. Pass on the tale in a first hand account. Though Annatar is going to be a sore spot forever. For all those, who loved Celebrimbor. 

Yet I understand and support Celebrimbor's standpoint. An Ainur isn't an Elf, but they aren't inheritable evil. Given Eöwne's tale, Celebrimbor expects to have more such encounters in the future. If things go right (which they don't). And as a scientist like him, Annatar is a learning experience. An experiment and if he gets burned he knows what NOT to do next time. That Annatar is Sauron is something he couldn't have known.  

It shows us only that the majority of Celebrimbor's soul survived that he has still hope for Annatar. I usually don't support the pair, but I appreciate Celebrimbor's effort to pull Annatar back from the abyss  Cause he has seen his family fall into it. Has been there himself. I hope we learn, why it won't work. A bit of Mairon's history. 

I mention this because I've worked on a headcanon in the last months (read here  tumblr is a beautiful thing). I don't believe that Sauron went to Melkor, because he saw his cause as right and just. For me there's always coercion involved. Melkor overpowering Mairon. Raping him as he did with Arien (Who is his twin/very close sibling - it's my headcanon and I'm STICKING TO IT!) ... because I read Mairon / Annatar / Sauron as someone, who doesn't deal well with loss or trauma. No matter what he has done, his history is full of pain. At first he has to chose between Aule and Melkor, at the very beginning. Then there's the terrifying war and suddenly he's alone. Melkor is imprisoned. I wonder why Mairon stayed so fucking true to Melkor's cause? Out of fear, because no one would believe that he's a victim of Morgoth as well? I doubt Morgoth treats his own people better than his enemies. Did they fight, when they reunited? Was Mairon under the illusion that he had grown stronger in Melkor's absence? 

The hell, has Melkor changed in the time he spend in Mandos? Probably. 

God, the more I think about it, the more interesting Sauron becomes. How did HE feel, when Melkor was defeated. Right now with Celebrimbor he must reeling from trauma and loss, like going cold turkey, trying to get rid of an addiction. Regardless how Sauron feels about Melkor (rapist, mentor, father/lover or all of it together), he knows he's not getting him back anytime soon.

Given how the One Ring is a tool to control others, I think it speaks a lot of Sauron's own fears. For there's a difference between conquering kingdoms and completely annihilating them. Which was never Sauron's goal ... he wanted his enemies ALIVE. It'd be tragic irony if Sauron wished in the 3rd Age to rebuilt the "Golden Time" he had with Celebrimbor ... something he destroyed with his own hands - and he hates himself even more for it.  

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As for Celeborn and Elrond ... I see it as clash of convictions. That age old dispute between Sindar and Noldor, what's the best way to act under threat. As Maglor's son Elrond would have little regard for anyone trying to hide away from his responsibilities. In my opinion that's why Elrond became such a reowned healer. He offered his services to anyone who asked and who needs him. Of course Maedhros and Maglor's pain are a part of it, that's something he could've never repaired, will never be able to. But he can help everyone else. His fathers haven't scarified themselves in a war, lost so much, just for him to throw it away by sticking to a narrow minded thinking.

Of course, there'll be always personal differences. But I guess through the Last Alliance Elrond learns to respect his father in law. There's a difference between a Telerin Lord and a warrior drenched in blood right next to him.

But that has always been the problem of the Eldar, hasn't it? There's never been a single force uniting them. Not even Melkor brought them together (or rather, far to late). Ingwe as Highking of all Elves is laughable.  Feanor is the only one who managed. Which just reinforces my standpoint that Feanor is MEANT to be Highking. Perhaps not the law-maker, but as the direly needed visionary. His sons knew that. The oath was the right thing to do, no matter of the Doom and Melkor corrupted it. Cause they've loved and followed him regardless of their blood relation.

Feanor just as to grow as the person that everyone else can see this as well.   




Author's Response:

Thank you so much for these reviews, and forgive me please for the late response!

I just love how Celebrimbor's longing for his family creeps up on him. That the littlest thing can trigger a memory, because Celebrimbor used to have so much family around him. Like with every breath he takes he feels their absence, a dark black hole in the back of his mind where his uncles should be. And it affects him more than others, the Feanorians were the Sons of Fire. His own is enough to keep him alive, but Celebrimbor knows he's alone. There's a difference between a candle flickering in the wind and the bonfire he was born into. 

I know!  This is Celebrimbor’s tragedy even more than being tortured to death, I think: it is that he had to live centuries alone, the last of his family.  It must be all he can do to keep surviving.  Really, is it any wonder he threw himself into his mission to save them?  The wonder is that he still had enough of himself left to be a good lord to his people, and friend to his cousins.

As for the questions of "deserving" love ... can someone tell Celebrimbor  that no one deserves forgiveness? Either you've sinned through your actions or you're at fault for not doing something.

Celebrimbor has always had a problem with forgiving himself, I am afraid.  Or rather, realizing that there was nothing he did that needed forgiveness in the first place, because you are absolutely right: Either you've sinned through your actions or you're at fault for not doing something.

They're clinging to each other and it DEPRESSES me thinking that one day Gildor will be the last Finwion (4th Age) on this side of the sea…. In a way I'm sorry for Gildor. He's the eternal survivor. But when I think of his conversation with Elladan later on, I don't think he regrets it.

Sometimes I think about Gildor at the end of the SA, and it breaks my heart.  I mean, he already survived loosing everyone he’d ever loved when Nargothrond fell.  But then he loosed Celebrimbor and Gil-galad too?  The cousin who become his second family?  (And later of course he loses Celebrían, like how his this guy as strong as he is to live through all this without growing bitter and broken?  I sometimes think Gildor is the strongest of them all.)

Yet I understand and support Celebrimbor's standpoint. An Ainur isn't an Elf, but they aren't inheritable evil….It shows us only that the majority of Celebrimbor's soul survived that he has still hope for Annatar. I usually don't support the pair, but I appreciate Celebrimbor's effort to pull Annatar back from the abyss  Cause he has seen his family fall into it. Has been there himself. I hope we learn, why it won't work. A bit of Mairon's history.”

We will indeed see a bit of Mairon’s history, coming soon lol!  I think Celebrimbor’s continuous belief that Annatar can be saved, and that there is goodness in him, is so sad because it does indeed show us that the younger Celebrimbor is still in there, still capable of loving and compassion, but because he has not become totally hardened and suspicious, it is his destruction.  Sauron preyed upon the best parts of Celebrimbor.

“I mention this because I've worked on a headcanon in the last months (read here  tumblr is a beautiful thing). I don't believe that Sauron went to Melkor, because he saw his cause as right and just. 

This is an interesting headcannon, and one I hadn’t ever seen/thought of before (I checked out your post too, fascinating :)).  I too agree that Marion did not go over to Melkor because he believed Melkor was right.  (I think Mairon went over to Melkor because he looked like the better of two bad choices: the Valar (who had tried to enslave him with their collars) or Melkor.)  But your idea that Mairon is someone who cannot deal with trauma/loss is interesting.  I wonder then how he dealt with Celebrimbor’s death?  Or do you believe there was nothing but manipulation on Annatar’s part?

I wonder why Mairon stayed so fucking true to Melkor's cause?

Hmm…well, maybe he thought Melkor was never coming back?  And while Melkor was rapist, mentor, father/lover with him gone, Mairon was free, and I wonder if, as the years progressed, he grew used to that freedom.  He defiantly had a desire to rule in his own heart, but by the time Melkor/Morgoth returned, Mairon rather wished he’d stayed away (also because I too think Melkor changed during his imprisonment).  However, Mairon knew that he couldn’t get away from Morgoth, what was he going to do, run to the Valar?  They were no doubt even worse in his mind.  So he stayed, and he served, and a part of him was happy to have Melkor back, but the rest of him resented/hated him.

Given how the One Ring is a tool to control others, I think it speaks a lot of Sauron's own fears. For there's a difference between conquering kingdoms and completely annihilating them. Which was never Sauron's goal ... he wanted his enemies ALIVE.

This is such a fascinating point!  It makes me think Sauron wanted to be loved and worshiped, not hated and reviled.  After all, he didn’t destroy the Men of the East/South who served him, rather, he set himself up as their god.

“Of course, there'll be always personal differences. But I guess through the Last Alliance Elrond learns to respect his father in law. There's a difference between a Telerin Lord and a warrior drenched in blood right next to him.”

Or even earlier, when Celeborn came to help Elrond try and hold Sauron off on his way to Celebrimbor.  Elrond might have started respecting him then.  (Tho not the Celeborn and Elrond in this story, they still have a ways to go!)

 Feanor is the only one who managed. Which just reinforces my standpoint that Feanor is MEANT to be Highking. Perhaps not the law-maker, but as the direly needed visionary.

I defiantly see Feanor as the visionary of his people too!  I don’t think he’s yet come into his own tho as a leader/king, because while he stirred the hearts of the Noldor for a time, in the end most of them choice not to follow him.  Which…given his mental state was both a understandable choice but also treason.  I can understand why many would choose the more stable leader of Fingolfin, but at the same time that choice did make them traitors, and I don’t think they should have hated Feanor for burning the ships when it was a pretty mild response of a king to traitors (I don’t believe Feanor saw it as condemning anyone to die, since why would he have thought they’d go over the ice?  It would have fit much more into his line of thinking about those Elves left behind that they would crawl back to Tirion).

 

Thank you again for the wonderful review :hugs:



Name: mangacrack (Signed) · Date: June 11, 2017 23:51 · For: Chapter 33

In case you're wondering why haven't reviewed all the chapter already and am rather taking this slow ... your return has spurned me into a writing a new fic. 16k, almost done and complete au. I really shouldn't but it's just fun. If I'm not careful I'll be tempted to write my own Galadriel/Celeborn piece for this story. 
Somehow their situation just gets to me. Perhaps because their situation can still be worked out. Unlike all the other tragedy that is going to follow soon. Though I think Galadriel has gotten a little better. Saner, perhaps. I have the feeling she was hurting before and slowly working through a lot of issues. Celebrian just got caught up in it, which brings me to the realization that Galadriel probably wasn't ready to be a mother. Or still tries to fill the hole that is Gil-galad. Gosh, the day will come where either of them will learn the truth and that day is going to BREAK ME. I can imagine that Galadriel and Gil-galad are going to forgive each other one day. One day VERY far away in the future. 
And as much as I hate Annatar (GET YOUR DIRTY HANDS OFF HIM), I love how he brings out sides that Celebrimbor tried to bury. Longing for family, mostly. Oh how much does Celebrimbor hate himself for Nargothrond?! Everyone else regards this is a wise decision, a Fëanorian finally seeing sense but for Telpe it must be the day he hates the most? The day he'd travel back in time to, if he possessed the power?
But not enough ... Celebrimbor being torn about Elrond! I wonder about their relationship. How close are they truly? Are they able to give each other comfort? Or do they remind each other just of what they lost?
*loves Feanorian!Elrond so much*
I long for the day where Celeborn meets his ... cousin? Prince? His world is going to shatter and it's absolutely believable that they haven't met until now. War is messy after all and the world is being. You don't just run into each other. Otherwise I'm curious how Celeborn's plans are for a brainwashed lost prince of Thingol's line. In an ideal world, how would Elrond look like to him? I can see him almost supporting a marriage with Celebrian, because it'd be a good match. Draw Elrond back the line of Thingol by marrying a lady of proper upbringing. Also, Galadriel would hate it. Hate him even more for it.
And, though I know it's pretty far in the future and isn't going to appear most likely, ... Arwen spends a lot of time in Lothlorien, later. Just as Celebrian, who is attacked on her way back to Rivendell. It's interesting, seeing these relationship in the early stages. 
God, I'm glad I've still a few chapters left to read. 



Author's Response:

In case you're wondering why haven't reviewed all the chapter already and am rather taking this slow ... your return has spurned me into a writing a new fic. 16k, almost done and complete au.

Yay!  Happy writing!  I understand completely, I am just the same way when I am writing (which is right now, so I’ve gotten behind on my reading).  It’s just that I want to gobble up every spare moment to work on writing, you know?  But then I miss out on seeing all the fascinating and wonderful stuff everyone else is writing too! 

Lots of good questions in this review!  And a lot of things I didn’t actually plan to write in this story :face plant:  I am thinking about the inevitable Elrond/Celeborn meeting.  It happens, but in the middle of the war.  They either meet for the first time after Ost-in-Edhil is sacked, so while they are chasing down Sauron’s army, or else while they are marshaling for the Last Alliance.  Either way, Celeborn is going to come away disappointed, but he’ll have to get over it if he wants to be part of Celebrían’s life.  She has no patience for her parents’ dictating ways at this point.

Though I think Galadriel has gotten a little better. Saner, perhaps. I have the feeling she was hurting before and slowly working through a lot of issues.

She has learned a few lessons –like not to force her own dreams down her daughter’s throat—but she still has a ways to go.  The thing with Galadriel, is she doesn’t like to confront/admit to herself the mistakes she has made.  She keeps trying to face forward, not looking at the past, running, really, until she cannot run anymore.  She hasn’t gotten to the end of the road yet and been forced to turn around, and even when she does trun, let us see what happens.  I think facing ones mistakes is one of the hardest things in life, it is so much easier to keep making excuses and trying to justify one’s actions.

Gosh, the day will come where either of them will learn the truth and that day is going to BREAK ME. I can imagine that Galadriel and Gil-galad are going to forgive each other one day. One day VERY far away in the future.”

I don’t want to give too much away!  :zips lips:

“Oh how much does Celebrimbor hate himself for Nargothrond?! Everyone else regards this is a wise decision, a Fëanorian finally seeing sense but for Telpe it must be the day he hates the most? The day he'd travel back in time to, if he possessed the power?

Oh, yes, he hates himself for that choice!  He is tormented by the thought: if he’d not walked away, if he’d been there with his father and uncles, could he have helped save them from themselves?  Or, at least, he could have made sure his father died knowing he loved him.  He may never get to see his father again, and…and he doesn’t know if his father knows he loved him, and forgave him long ago.

Celebrimbor being torn about Elrond! I wonder about their relationship. How close are they truly? Are they able to give each other comfort? Or do they remind each other just of what they lost?
*loves Feanorian!Elrond so much*

Hmm…they are friends, but I don’t see their relationship as as close as brothers.  But Celebrimbor defiantly acknowledges Elrond as Maglor’s son, and his cousin, it’s just that Elrond has spent most of the Second Age in Lindon, and they only met a handful of times in the FA.  Gil-galad was able to connect with Celebrimbor in a deeply intimate way (and I am not just talking about the sex lol), Celebrimbor felt the kinship between them, all the things they had in common.  I am not sure Elrond has made the same kind of deep, abiding connection with him, though they do share the bond of family, so that ties them together.  They do love each other though.

Otherwise I'm curious how Celeborn's plans are for a brainwashed lost prince of Thingol's line. In an ideal world, how would Elrond look like to him? I can see him almost supporting a marriage with Celebrian, because it'd be a good match. Draw Elrond back the line of Thingol by marrying a lady of proper upbringing.

Well, I think he is quickly abased of his fantasy that Elrond is more Sindar prince than Noldo, and with Elrond’s bold, unapologetic claiming of the Feanorions…yeah.  Celeborn isn’t going to like that at all, but I think he has learned some lessons after Celebriain walked away from him.  He couldn’t bring himself to swallow his pride then, but he does love his daughter, very much, and Elrond makes her happy, and so I think he will support the match, even though he’s had to give up his hopes for Elrond.

Really, I see the end of the SA as a big growth period for Celebron and Galadreil, but one that doesn’t end at the conclusion of the Last Alliance.  They still have a lot of growing to do.  I think their relationship with Elrond and Celebrian is VERY rocky at first (you will see more why later in the story).  Elrond is a forgiving person who will not let hate destroy him, so he does eventually forgive what happened, but it can never be forgotten.  As for Celebrain…I have been thinking about her relationships with her parents, especially Galadreil, for a while, but…I think I will leave this conversation until the future, because there are some pretty monumental events to come!

 

Thank you, thank you for these reviews!  They got me thinking about these characters from new angles (that is something I adore about reviews!)!



Name: mangacrack (Signed) · Date: June 11, 2017 10:10 · For: Chapter 32

I took the idea of a ghost!Celebrimbor from 'Shadows of Mordor'. While I haven't played the game yet, the trailer features a wonderful Celebrimbor. With the ring wraiths around it's not that far off. If the rings feed of a soul, it's likely they trap the soul in order to prevent that it can't go on. Though I believe the original Elven Rings were meant to draw strength from their environment. Earth, Water, Fire, Air. But. There's always a but. 

With Celebrimbor's death the rings may have gained an edge. A price that needs to be paid.  Even worse ... Sauron is a necromancer. What if he didn't just torture Celebrimbor? What kept him from interfering?

Well, the dead House of Fëanor, I hope. But what if it doesn't work? How much power has the dead family in order to help their last living loved one?

But the chapter broke my heart AGAIN. I'm amazed by Celebrimbor's knowledge about the human body, but it makes kind of sense. So many dead people, Curufin would've never hesitated to cut them open and see how they truly work. Wasn't that Melkor's bribe to work with the Noldor in the first place? I can't remember if it was your story, in which Curufin (or Feanor) hated the fact that Melkor extensive but invaluable knowledge came from the Elves he tortured once.

Still ... the suffering Noldor and Celebrimbor's crashed hope that the reembodiment might never work ... I'm crying. I'm truly crying.    
And fascinated how our thoughts are so similar. I too stumbled over the fact (while planing the ever growing verse of insane!Maglor) that reembodiment can't be that easy. Perhaps not even for Námo. Evil or not, I bet the fëa has to largely figure it out itself.

Which reminds me, I've finally written the story about Fëanor bursting into flames and figuring out how the fëa/hröa business works. Is posted here on faerie and is called "The phoenix must burn." ... i hate self-promotion but in this case it just fits into the topic. 

... and now ON WITH THE OTHER CHAPTERS! Give me the heartbreak, all the heartbreak ;_;

 



Author's Response:

I took the idea of a ghost!Celebrimbor from 'Shadows of Mordor'. While I haven't played the game yet, the trailer features a wonderful Celebrimbor. With the ring wraiths around it's not that far off. If the rings feed of a soul, it's likely they trap the soul in order to prevent that it can't go on. Though I believe the original Elven Rings were meant to draw strength from their environment. Earth, Water, Fire, Air. But. There's always a but.  

I haven’t played the game either, but I have seen the trailer and have the general gist of what happens.  Tho I thought Celebrimbor trapped himself there as revenge?  How interesting/terrible if it was because of the Three that he got trapped as a ghost!  I wonder if he realized it was a possibility as he was making them?

Sauron is a necromancer. What if he didn't just torture Celebrimbor? What kept him from interfering? 

Oh, I defiantly think Sauron tried to keep Celebrimbor’s soul from leaving (and I wrote it like that in this story, you will see :grins:)

Well, the dead House of Fëanor, I hope. But what if it doesn't work? How much power has the dead family in order to help their last living loved one? 

I suppose it depends on if being trapped in the Rings diminishes the power of their souls, because, you know, if Celebrimbor was able to trap your Maglor with his full power, damn, that’s quite a weapon!  But if he realized what he’d done, would he use the Rings, or be too horrified?  Though if he was Dark!Insaine! Celebrimbor, I suppose he would.  But would the souls try to fight back?  Could they?  Would it damage/hurt them to be trapped/used in the Ring?  If it didn’t, would they like being in the Rings, feeling like they were fighting for something again?  So many questions!

“But the chapter broke my heart AGAIN.

Oh, oh get used to it!  I cry bucket loads while writing his story!

 I'm amazed by Celebrimbor's knowledge about the human body, but it makes kind of sense. So many dead people, Curufin would've never hesitated to cut them open and see how they truly work. Wasn't that Melkor's bribe to work with the Noldor in the first place? I can't remember if it was your story, in which Curufin (or Feanor) hated the fact that Melkor extensive but invaluable knowledge came from the Elves he tortured once.

Yep, it was my story :)  I kept debating with myself if it was realistic for the Elves to have discovered this much about the human body…probably not.  But I did originally want the Rings of Power to harness the power of a star, like be minnie stars, but that would have been ridiculously advanced, so I held myself back (maybe they can have invented that technology by the time Morgoth comes back lol)

And fascinated how our thoughts are so similar. I too stumbled over the fact (while planing the ever growing verse of insane!Maglor) that reembodiment can't be that easy. Perhaps not even for Námo. Evil or not, I bet the fëa has to largely figure it out itself. 

I always think it’s so interesting when an author I read writes an idea I’d been toying with too!  It’s like we are reading each other’s minds, so cool :)  I think the reembodiment process is tricky, yeah.  I actually agree with you that it’s going to have to be the fea that figure it out.  That’s actually the way I think it was meant to be in the beginning, and Mandos was never supposed to happen at all (at least in this AU, your Namo is lovely :))  I’ve got stuff planned too! (remember Caranthir, wandering around bodiless, refusing Mandos’ call? Yep.)

Which reminds me, I've finally written the story about Fëanor bursting into flames and figuring out how the fëa/hröa business works. Is posted here on faerie and is called "The phoenix must burn." ... i hate self-promotion but in this case it just fits into the topic.  

Ooo!  I’ll check it out!  I am a terrible reader and have actually read some of your fics on AO3 and not reviewed yet!  I promise I will soon!  (they were delicious; I think you know which ones I’m talking about :winks:)

 

Thank you so much for the review :hugs:



Name: ziggy (Signed) · Date: June 10, 2017 15:03 · For: Chapter 23

I've had to re-read the whole thing in order to catch up with the story now-Oh, the hardship!!!! Reaading this beautfiul prose, elegant descriptions and utterly superb characterisations (LOVE your terrible -in its real sense- Galadriel who does ont understnad or value the quiet socailisation as she sees it of women teaching women, but wants the masculine education of institutions and classics for her child. I love this whole discussion in this chapter- wonderfully thought provoking- and this divine Elrond, who has never seemed more attractive than he is in this!!

Fab.



Author's Response:

“I've had to re-read the whole thing in order to catch up with the story now

It was a really long time ago since I posted!  I have to re-read things too to get myself back into the mood of a story :)  Thank you for taking the time!

“eaading this beautfiul prose, elegant descriptions and utterly superb characterisations 

Thank you!!

LOVE your terrible -in its real sense- Galadriel who does ont understnad or value the quiet socailisation as she sees it of women teaching women, but wants the masculine education of institutions and classics for her child.

Yes, at this time in her life I don’t think Galadriel is at all at piece with herself or wise at all.  I think even in cannon we see her jumping around, trying to find a place to rule/impose her will upon, a lot in the Second Age.  She still is hungry for power and to rule.  I see her as a woman who has struggled so long (all her life) to be accepted as a man’s equal in a world where women are denied certain rights, the she looks down on women who ‘settle’ and ‘accept.’  So while she strives to be acknowledged as an equal of men, she looks down on the women around her as less than her if they are not striving just as hard.

“and this divine Elrond, who has never seemed more attractive than he is in this!!

Yay!  I love hearing this!  In cannon, Elrond does not interest me much.  But I think it was reading your story that first started to get me interested in him (and of course, you are the one who made me fall for Elrohir :grins:).  I don’t want to write a stuffy, middle-aged man that Elrond often comes across as in fic.  I want the son of Maglor Fëanorion :)

Thank you so much for taking the time to read and review :hugs:

 

 



Name: mangacrack (Signed) · Date: June 06, 2017 13:36 · For: Chapter 31

"He would have said ‘I love you’ to Curufin’s back before he walked out that door in Nargothrond. He would have written back to one of Caranthir’s letters that he treasured and yet stumbled over pride and doubts whenever he sat down to return the words of love. He would have written back and signed his name Curufinwë Fëanorion, son of Curufin."
I was fine reading the chapter and than you pull something like this? HOW CAN YOU DO THIS DO ME? *cries unnumbered tears* I mean of course he has regrets. Celebrimbor probably never pictured his father, his family CAPABLE of dying. In Nargothrond he still could effort to chose moral and pride over family. That has changed. Now grief comes and goes and the second half of the chapter how much Celebrimbor TRULY regrets and blames himself. 
Because, ... who knows how Doriath might have gone with Celebrimbor still at his families side. 
Which makes Celebrimbor's experiment extremely interesting. It hit me out of the blue, because ... well he never succeeded. He never will? Or does someone else carry on his work? Gosh, this development cast an entirely different light on Annatar's and Celebrimbor's relationship. Or why Sauron is known as Necromancer. Ohhh, I bet the Ring Wraiths are not the first spirits who get trapped. 
.... now the question is ... what about the three elven rings? Do they have Spirits tied to them? If yes ... WHO? Celebrimbor himself, after his death? (which I've written already, so thats not that far off) ... other members of his family. 
* incoherent screaming in the distance!!!* 



Author's Response:

“HOW CAN YOU DO THIS DO ME? *cries unnumbered tears* 

Oh trust me, trust me, it get a WHOLE lot worse.  I defiantly cried unnumbered tears writing his story.

 “Ohhh, I bet the Ring Wraiths are not the first spirits who get trapped.  
.... now the question is ... what about the three elven rings? Do they have Spirits tied to them? If yes ... WHO? Celebrimbor himself, after his death? 

THIS made me scream too!  And then ran around trying to process all this goodness!  I love how your reviews spawn idea-waves in my head lol  I love the idea of the Ring Wraiths rings having spirits trapped inside them, YES!  It fits really well too, because the Rings draw power from an Elf’s soul (or at least mine do, I have no idea how they work in cannon.), but the Nine were perverted by Sauron, so they could feed on a soul until it is trapped inside it, and maybe that’s why the Ring Wraiths never die.  Because their souls are now trapped in the Rings they wear!  Kind of like a horcrux.  God, that sounds like eternal torment for them.  As for the Three, they are more powerful, so I gave them the ability to siven power from the souls around them (asking consent first!).  So, the bigger the populace under their protection, the greater their power.  So all of Rivendell is helping feed into the power of Vilya so that they can be safe under her protection. 

The idea of Elven souls being trapped in the Three is such a fascinating idea (and seriously dark, like Celebrimbor, what on earth were you dabbling in there? –tho I do think/and write that he learns some not-so-Light magic from Sauron).  And the thought that the souls might be his family….jeez, chilling.  I would totally read a fic with Dark!Insane!Celebrimbor dabbling in necromancy, trying to bring his family back, but ultimately trapping their souls in the Three.  :shivers:

 

Thank you so much for the fabulous review!  It gave me lots of ideas :rubs hands together:



Name: mangacrack (Signed) · Date: June 05, 2017 13:26 · For: Chapter 30

Reading this from Mairon's perspective is interesting. Though I always have to resist the urge to rip his head off. In some stories I believe he was lonely and messed up when his world views clashed with those of the Elves and he fell back into former habits. This Mairon though has bad intentions right from the start, but I love the way he judges people. How he just discards most people. I imagine he has a taste for fashion, grandness and drama ... a kind of confidence that makes the Noldor uncomfortable. I wonder if Gil-galad truly suspected something or if he just didn't like him. 
Mairon and Galadriel, oh that's good. He wants to break her, give her the throne she desires and turn her into a pretty, obedient doll. But Galadriel is nothing if not stubborn. To think that this struggle is going to last for nearly two Ages ... it puts the 2nd Ring War into another light. It's not a large unknown enemy they fear and have to fight. For Galadriel Sauron must be a daily thorn in her side. A chronic disease she can't get rid of. 
I'm so excited how the arc is going to play out (don't want to think about the end *sniff*) ...   How Gil-galad is going to fit into the very probable Mairon/Celebrimbor dynamic. 



Author's Response:

In some stories I believe he was lonely and messed up when his world views clashed with those of the Elves and he fell back into former habits. This Mairon though has bad intentions right from the start,

I was pretty worried that I wouldn’t be able to make him evil enough, and while I can get down with those stories where he was lonely and messed up too, I feel like there was some serious lack of ability to empathize or feel compassion in him that allowed him to do what he did, and I really wanted to capture that. 

“but I love the way he judges people. How he just discards most people.

Oh, yes, he does this, and it’s such a huge weakness!  It’s his arrogance and superiority combined with his belief that he is always right, so how could he possibly miss judge someone? :shakes head:

I wonder if Gil-galad truly suspected something or if he just didn't like him.”

I don’t think Gil-galad and Galadriel were able to ‘see through him’ in the sense that is implied in cannon (I think?).  I don’t think they took one look at him and knew he was Sauron, or saw his evil.  Rather, they didn’t buy his story, so they were suspicious of him and his motives (he was a Maiar after all, and none of them trust the Valar).  Celebrimbor was not exactly trusting at first either, but he was desperate, and reached out for something he thought could help him, and then…well once Sauron got a foothold, Celebrimbor was defiantly the most vulnerable, because he was in a really bad place mentally, and Sauron was able to take full advantage of that.

“How Gil-galad is going to fit into the very probable Mairon/Celebrimbor dynamic. 

Ah!  :opens mouth.  Closes it again:  I will try not to give spoilers :)  But I do have a few things to say on this when we get that far into the story :)

 

Thank you so much for the review!  I am excited to hear what you think!  



Name: Spiced Wine (Signed) · Date: June 05, 2017 11:31 · For: Chapter 36
Name: Spiced Wine (Signed) Date: June 02, 2017 10:13 For: Chapter 36
' I think what I love the most about the Feanorions is their love. When you think about it, it is incredible that they were able to endure as a unit, as brothers united, until the very end. Not even the shadow of betrayal came between them. They never once turned their back on a brother to choose an easier road, everything they worked for in Beleriand for the survival of their family. Even the wrongs they did. And maybe that doesn’t make them justified, but it makes it impossible for me to do anything but love them.'

Yes, yes, absolutely. Feanor was a wonderful father to them, and that love was reflected in his sons, it was powerful, complicated, and magnificent and durable. With all the grief, and however 'difficult' some of that love became, as with Caranthir and Curufin, and Maglor and Maedhros and, tangentially Feanor and Fingolfin, it endured and some of the most heartwarming writing I have ever been privileged to read is of Feanor and his sons before darkness fell on them, it is like the memory of a fire in winter.

There will always be scars, because if they did not remember they would not be themselves, but nothing could heal them more than finding one another again.

The way you have written them just transcends any other writer, including Tolkien himself who gave the bare bones, no more. The depth and complexity, the passion and love and hate and loyalty are just beyond stunning. They live and breathe and burn through your portrayal, just as I imagine.

Author's Response:
“With all the grief, and however 'difficult' some of that love became, as with Caranthir and Curufin, and Maglor and Maedhros and, tangentially Feanor and Fingolfin, it endured and some of the most heartwarming writing I have ever been privileged to read is of Feanor and his sons before darkness fell on them, it is like the memory of a fire in winter. “

Mmm, that’s so true about pre-darkening stories with the Feanrions. There is such sweetness in reading those stories/scenes, even tho there is a sadness threaded through too because we know what their fates are. It makes the scenes all the more precious for knowing what trials come.

I think that ‘difficult’ aspect in those loves that thread through each other, brother-lover-friend, are some of my favorites to write. I love the complicatedness of it, and the enduring nature, even Feanor and Fingolfin’s love endured –under the surface—until the end, even when it seemed for a time to have been blown out. And there is something so beautiful and pure about Maglor’s love for Maedhros because of how unselfish it is. And again, the enduring nature of it, and the way it did not turn to bitterness. Caranthir’s love for Curufin has beauty too in those moments of softness and how enduring it too was, but there was also such pain too that it became an unhealthy thing for Caranthir because it pretty much destroyed him. And yet it also was one of the foundations of his life, and he could be so tender with Curufin who brought out a side of him others did not see. What they shared was special, and an essential of Caranthir’s life –he needed a friend like Curufin would never failed to make him smile. I just wish his love had not brought him so much unhappiness too.

“There will always be scars, because if they did not remember they would not be themselves, but nothing could heal them more than finding one another again.”

So true. I cannot see them healing unless it is together. Maglor can experience joy in the years he has to wait for them, but he will not be fully whole or healed until he is with them again.

“The way you have written them just transcends any other writer, including Tolkien himself who gave the bare bones, no more. The depth and complexity, the passion and love and hate and loyalty are just beyond stunning. They live and breathe and burn through your portrayal, just as I imagine.”

Thank you.



Spiced, you always give me such belief in myself as a writer, such encouragement. I cannot tell you how much it has meant to me over the years. I have been writing for close to a decade now (with a lot of on and off!), but I was just thinking the other day about the beginning, about To be Black and The Price of Duty, my first two stories, and remembering how the moment I posted To be Black on the old site, you were there welcoming me and encouraging me (even if the story was pretty clique looking back lol!). And I remember writing The Price of Duty in the dark –I was seriously depressed during that time, and it reflects a lot in the darkness of that story—and how writing was one of my only lights and what kept me going, and you were there walking through it with me, every time a posted a chapter, you would never fail to review and it would give me strength to write another. Anyway, I just wanted to say thank you. Thank you for being such a wonderful friend. :::hugs:::

Bless you. Sometimes when you read a writer, you are just overwhelmed by them. It's this feeling that you have found something that is completely satisfying. And it's rare.

You have the most superb use of imagery that Inhave come across, it's genius! and the courage and intuition to delve right to the heart of incredibly complex characters without fear. I am so proud of you, and so delighted to be able to read you.

Author's Response:

“Bless you. Sometimes when you read a writer, you are just overwhelmed by them. It's this feeling that you have found something that is completely satisfying. And it's rare. 

You have the most superb use of imagery that I have come across, it's genius! and the courage and intuition to delve right to the heart of incredibly complex characters without fear. I am so proud of you, and so delighted to be able to read you.”

Reading this feels ridiculous good :)  I am going to hoard your compliments away, and pull them out on days I doubt myself.  To hear how much joy and pleasure the stories have given you, is the greatest delight of a writer. 

 

This just makes me so happy!!!  :squashes you:  Thank you!!



Name: Spiced Wine (Signed) · Date: June 02, 2017 10:13 · For: Chapter 36
' I think what I love the most about the Feanorions is their love. When you think about it, it is incredible that they were able to endure as a unit, as brothers united, until the very end. Not even the shadow of betrayal came between them. They never once turned their back on a brother to choose an easier road, everything they worked for in Beleriand for the survival of their family. Even the wrongs they did. And maybe that doesn’t make them justified, but it makes it impossible for me to do anything but love them.'

Yes, yes, absolutely. Feanor was a wonderful father to them, and that love was reflected in his sons, it was powerful, complicated, and magnificent and durable. With all the grief, and however 'difficult' some of that love became, as with Caranthir and Curufin, and Maglor and Maedhros and, tangentially Feanor and Fingolfin, it endured and some of the most heartwarming writing I have ever been privileged to read is of Feanor and his sons before darkness fell on them, it is like the memory of a fire in winter.

There will always be scars, because if they did not remember they would not be themselves, but nothing could heal them more than finding one another again.

The way you have written them just transcends any other writer, including Tolkien himself who gave the bare bones, no more. The depth and complexity, the passion and love and hate and loyalty are just beyond stunning. They live and breathe and burn through your portrayal, just as I imagine.

Author's Response:

“With all the grief, and however 'difficult' some of that love became, as with Caranthir and Curufin, and Maglor and Maedhros and, tangentially Feanor and Fingolfin, it endured and some of the most heartwarming writing I have ever been privileged to read is of Feanor and his sons before darkness fell on them, it is like the memory of a fire in winter. 

Mmm, that’s so true about pre-darkening stories with the Feanrions.  There is such sweetness in reading those stories/scenes, even tho there is a sadness threaded through too because we know what their fates are.  It makes the scenes all the more precious for knowing what trials come.

I think that ‘difficult’ aspect in those loves that thread through each other, brother-lover-friend, are some of my favorites to write.  I love the complicatedness of it, and the enduring nature, even Feanor and Fingolfin’s love endured –under the surface—until the end, even when it seemed for a time to have been blown out.  And there is something so beautiful and pure about Maglor’s love for Maedhros because of how unselfish it is.  And again, the enduring nature of it, and the way it did not turn to bitterness.  Caranthir’s love for Curufin has beauty too in those moments of softness and how enduring it too was, but there was also such pain too that it became an unhealthy thing for Caranthir because it pretty much destroyed him.  And yet it also was one of the foundations of his life, and he could be so tender with Curufin who brought out a side of him others did not see.  What they shared was special, and an essential of Caranthir’s life –he needed a friend like Curufin would never failed to make him smile.  I just wish his love had not brought him so much unhappiness too.

There will always be scars, because if they did not remember they would not be themselves, but nothing could heal them more than finding one another again.

So true.  I cannot see them healing unless it is together.  Maglor can experience joy in the years he has to wait for them, but he will not be fully whole or healed until he is with them again.

The way you have written them just transcends any other writer, including Tolkien himself who gave the bare bones, no more. The depth and complexity, the passion and love and hate and loyalty are just beyond stunning. They live and breathe and burn through your portrayal, just as I imagine.

Thank you.

 

Spiced, you always give me such belief in myself as a writer, such encouragement.  I cannot tell you how much it has meant to me over the years.  I have been writing for close to a decade now (with a lot of on and off!), but I was just thinking the other day about the beginning, about To be Black and The Price of Duty, my first two stories, and remembering how the moment I posted To be Black on the old site, you were there welcoming me and encouraging me (even if the story was pretty clique looking back lol!).  And I remember writing The Price of Duty in the dark –I was seriously depressed during that time, and it reflects a lot in the darkness of that story—and how writing was one of my only lights and what kept me going, and you were there walking through it with me, every time a posted a chapter, you would never fail to review and it would give me strength to write another.  Anyway, I just wanted to say thank you.  Thank you for being such a wonderful friend. :::hugs:::



Name: merwinem (Signed) · Date: June 02, 2017 9:56 · For: Chapter 36
I’ve discovered your Price series a few months ago, and now that I’m all caught up with the latest updates, I’d like to let you know how much I appreciate all the work you have put into these stories.

Of all your characters, the Feanorions are by far my favourites. I have to say though, the abuse you pile on them is so difficult to read. It’s somehow worse than canon.

Thank you so much for writing these fics. The Silmarillion is such a tragic book, and I am so glad that your version of the story will have a happier ending. Even if you don’t finish it, knowing that you mean for all the elves to be reborn and finally take control of their lives is enough.

Author's Response:

I’ve discovered your Price series a few months ago, and now that I’m all caught up with the latest updates, I’d like to let you know how much I appreciate all the work you have put into these stories.

Hello!  It is also so fantastic to hear from new readers!  I am so excited to hear you have enjoyed the story thus far! 

Of all your characters, the Feanorions are by far my favourites. I have to say though, the abuse you pile on them is so difficult to read. It’s somehow worse than canon.

I am torture them SO bad, and yet, they are my favorites too!  I can’t seem to give them a break, even after all they went through in cannon! 

The Silmarillion is such a tragic book, and I am so glad that your version of the story will have a happier ending. Even if you don’t finish it, knowing that you mean for all the elves to be reborn and finally take control of their lives is enough.

I simply cannot accept that death after all the torment these characters went through is the end, so I have to write them their happy ending. 

 

Thank you so much for taking the time to review and let me know what that you were enjoying the story :)  I hope they will continue to please.



Name: cheekybeak (Signed) · Date: June 01, 2017 11:28 · For: Chapter 36

Ah, so it WAS Annatar! 

You wrote him beautifully here. A raving mad psychopath. 

Chilling to read the internal workings of his mind. 



Author's Response:

You wrote him beautifully here. A raving mad psychopath.”

Yes, yes this exactly!  The death of his empathy turned him into a psychopath, that was exactly the conclusion I was hoping to leave!

Thank you so much for these reviews, and taking the time to read all this lol  Since Celebrimbor is not your cup of tea anymore, I will just have to drop the hint that there will be a nice, long scene from Galadriel’s POV a few chapters from now that you might enjoy :)

 

 



Name: cheekybeak (Signed) · Date: June 01, 2017 11:09 · For: Chapter 35

Oh! 

Well I didn't see THAT coming! However did you think of that?

I am slightly confused in that I don't know if Annatars senario is the truth and the Valar did do this to destroy Celebrimbor by having him kill his own child or if it was Annatar all along .....because.....well I am unsure why Annatar would do this but perhaps to keep Celebrimbor close. If Celebrimbor believes Annatar can save him from killing his son. That seems a very complicated way of Annatar achieving that. 

But would the Valar REALLY do this?? And why choose Celebrian? To get back at Galadriel? 

So yeah...confused! 



Author's Response:

I am glad I confused you lol  I was hoping to leave the reader guessing who could be behind it!  But I’m glad it became clear in the next chapter :)



Name: cheekybeak (Signed) · Date: June 01, 2017 10:42 · For: Chapter 34

Oh I love Gildor SO much. He is such a beautiful spirit. I had forgotten about how Curufin had groomed him all those years ago! I was wondering why he agreed to this but it does make sense. He still seems so young even though he isn't at all of course. I haven't forgotten how perfect he was with Elrohir.

So Annatars issues with Gildor are all Finrod??? Is it Finrod he sees when he looks at him? He killed him after all. Sickening really to think of Gildor lying with Finrod's killer. No wonder he felt violated. No wonder he looked at him with hate. 

Celebrimbor obviously cares for Gildor, yet still he is deaf to what he is saying. After what he saw Annatar do and what his cousin told him he felt, still he turns his eyes away. He is better than this. His logical brain is completely gone isn't it because if he took the time to think just a little bit he would get rid of Annatar in a heartbeat. When has Gildor ever been anything but honest and truthful? 

 

 



Author's Response:

“Oh I love Gildor SO much. He is such a beautiful spirit.

I am right there with you!

“I had forgotten about how Curufin had groomed him all those years ago! I was wondering why he agreed to this but it does make sense.

I am glad to hear Gildor’s motivations made sense!  He hadn’t ever forgotten his first crush, but I’d say he’s finally over it.  (I wouldn’t say Curufin groomed him, because it wasn’t a pre-planned thing when Curufin kissed him, rather an act of impulsive vengeance –not that the motivation makes it any better!  Celegorm was quite right to punch him!)

“So Annatars issues with Gildor are all Finrod??? Is it Finrod he sees when he looks at him? He killed him after all. Sickening really to think of Gildor lying with Finrod's killer. No wonder he felt violated. No wonder he looked at him with hate. 

I’d say Annatar desired Gildor because of Finrod, but he hates him because he’s viciously jealous of him and possessive of Celebrimbor.  Poor Gildor will have to remember this day when Annatar finally reveals himself!  If he feels violated now, how much worse it will be when he knows the truth!

After what he saw Annatar do and what his cousin told him he felt, still he turns his eyes away. He is better than this. His logical brain is completely gone isn't it because if he took the time to think just a little bit he would get rid of Annatar in a heartbeat. When has Gildor ever been anything but honest and truthful? “

I think at this point Annatar and Celebrimbor’s relationship has reached the emotionally abusive stage.  Annatar manipulates him pretty much through his every word, and has learned Celebrimbor’s tender points by now.  You bet he knew how much showing his disgust and disappointment with Celebrimbor would get to Celebrimbor!  Celebrimbor is practically primed to fall into this kind of relationship with his self-hate and isolation (we saw how Annatar preyed upon him in the moment of his grief for Navi).  Celebrimbor gets defensive when Gildor tries to point out that Annatar isn’t good for him. 

 

I think another of Celebrimbor’s major reasons for not being able to admit to what Annatar is, is because he has become addicted to him.  You may have noticed that Celebrimbor hasn’t turned to drink since he started his relationship with Annatar?  Annatar is his drink now –his escape.  When he’s with Annatar he doesn’t have to think about how much he’s failing to get his family back –and how much he misses them—because with Annatar he feels like he’s finally accomplishing something.  Annatar gives him hope, as crazy as that it.  He’s caught deep in the spider’s net.



Name: Spiced Wine (Signed) · Date: June 01, 2017 10:21 · For: Chapter 36
Oh, my. I just don't know. Annatar's twisted possessiveness and cold passion, his damage,which is very real, his power, his cruelty. It twists me up not the least because Celebrimbor and his kin have borne enough. We know what will happen here, hate and doom reaching out from the past. The Feanorions have always been at the centre of everything and each generation bears it - the hate and jealousy of gods. I suppose it. It could never have been otherwise. You can feel the weight of their history in every chapter, and their own weight shapes history. I just want to see them all together. All the love, no matter how complicated, between them, has been the only brightness In the tragedy of these Ages. Just truly exceptional and brilliant, moving writing, Encairion. Writing that never leaves me, it goes so deep.

I am in a sense, a little sorry for Sauron. He could have been so much more than he was, but was damaged beyond belief.

Author's Response:

“It twists me up not the least because Celebrimbor and his kin have borne enough. We know what will happen here, hate and doom reaching out from the past. The Feanorions have always been at the centre of everything and each generation bears it

So, so true.  They are always right there in the middle of the heartbreak.  I feel just incredible empathy for them, and long for their healing and to know joy once more.

“I just want to see them all together. All the love, no matter how complicated, between them, has been the only brightness In the tragedy of these Ages.

I want so much to finally get them all together again too!  If anything can heal them, it will be their love for each other.  I think what I love the most about the Feanorions is their love.  When you think about it, it is incredible that they were able to endure as a unit, as brothers united, until the very end.  Not even the shadow of betrayal came between them.  They never once turned their back on a brother to choose an easier road, everything they worked for in Beleriand for the survival of their family.  Even the wrongs they did.  And maybe that doesn’t make them justified, but it makes it impossible for me to do anything but love them.

“I am in a sense, a little sorry for Sauron. He could have been so much more than he was, but was damaged beyond belief.

I feel a lot of pity for him, actually, because it is exactly as you said: he could have been so much more.  Once he was so much more. 

 

Thank you so much for this lovely review!  It put a smile on my face :hugs:



Name: cheekybeak (Signed) · Date: June 01, 2017 10:02 · For: Chapter 33

Ah, another challenging character. Galadriel. I feel so sorry for her, although I know you don't like her and what she did to Fingon was appalling, although to me her reasons were understandable. I just think Finrod's death broke her. She can't see past that loss. Maybe because I have lost my own brother I focus on that. 

Anyway it has made a mess of the rest of her life, and especially...sadly, her relationship with her daughter. 

I don't quite understand her and Celeborn. I don't get what keeps them together when they seem to dislike each other so much. But there is palpably still a connection there despite it all. They are a strange pair and I can't quite work out what drives them. 

And here comes Elrond. Gosh he is an insufferable arse isn't he. I had forgotten he could be like that! 



Author's Response:

Even tho I haven’t been the kindest to Galadriel in the story, I have come to pity her and hope for her sake and the sake of everyone around her that she grows into a better person.  I agree with you that Finrod’s death hit her hard.  She was defiantly her favorite brother (tho I think she never got to know the man he grew into in ME.  But she loved the brother she remembered a lot.  I think she hero-worshiped him a bit too growing up.  He was a number of years older than her, and probably seemed like the shining star of her family growing up.)

“I don't quite understand her and Celeborn. I don't get what keeps them together when they seem to dislike each other so much. But there is palpably still a connection there despite it all. They are a strange pair and I can't quite work out what drives them. 

I think they are both still in love with the people they were in Doriath, when they first met, before time and grief and bitterness turned them into what they are now.  They saw a like spirit in each other back them, both young and idealist enough to believe they could re-make the world into something better, but seeing the same flaws in Doriath society and spending hours together railing against it and planning how it would be if they were the ones in charge. 

I think a lot would have been different in their marriage if they had both been Sindar or Noldor.  The difference in culture, and the split ties of loyalty has done a lot of damage, and their pride took care of the rest.

 

Thank you for the review, all of them!  I woke up this morning to see you had had a chance to finish the whole thing, yay!



Name: cheekybeak (Signed) · Date: June 01, 2017 9:36 · For: Chapter 31

Oh, it's not disappointing, far from it! 

But it is......challenging. Although that's not a bad thing. Just because a character is hard to read doesn't mean it isn't good. :-) at least for me anyway. 

I loved young Celebrimbor and he has vanished without a trace. There is a grief associated with the loss of a character like that, and I really don't like who he has become, perhaps because I liked him so much before. But as I said, it will make reading what is to come somewhat easier! 

I kind of like the idea of him getting to start from scratch in rebirth, (if that's what you mean) removing those memories from him because he just can't heal if he keeps them. In a way Celebrimbor is thought of with more scorn than any other of the Feanorians by the third age people. He is, of course, seen as the cause of all their grief. Creator of those damn rings. And the other Feanorians deeds had faded somewhat over time...for non Elves anyway. 

I do think a lot of what we are seeing here is reaping what Curufin sowed. The self doubt, the feeling of failure, Curufin planted those feelings in Celebrimbor years ago, passing on his own inadequacies. It's like those feelings have been handed down the generations all the way from Feanor himself whose problems with Fingolfin all came down to that. 

So yeah, Feanor. Yes he is not my favourite. I can't forgive him the oath which however I look at it is wrong...not the oath itself, but allowing his sons to swear it and then insisting they swear it a second time. Can't see past that. I had forgotten about your take on the ship burning though. I did like that. Him trying to save Fingolfin at the last. A small break in his madness. I hope one day Fingolfin knows he did that. 

But I love Feanor's sons....well most of them, (the twins are invisible and Curufin....he killed Finrod.) and because I love them everything that happened to them after can be laid at Feanor's door. 

And here is lovely Celebrimbor, turned out just like his Grandfather...which is realistic but pushes all my "I don't like Feanor" buttons! 

You are right on reflection. In your stories it's not the silmarils that consume Feanor, (although it IS them in canon) it's revenge for his father's death, and even before that he inflicted emotional harm on his sons and wife due to his obsession with his father. 

Its all down to Daddy issues with Feanor! He allowed his useless father to destroy his life, and his son's lives, sadly and he never managed to see Finwe for what he was. It's like Feanor was trapped emotionally at the age he was when his mother died and never matured. 



Author's Response:

Oh, it's not disappointing, far from it! 

But it is......challenging. Although that's not a bad thing. Just because a character is hard to read doesn't mean it isn't good. :-) at least for me anyway. 

I loved young Celebrimbor and he has vanished without a trace. There is a grief associated with the loss of a character like that, and I really don't like who he has become, perhaps because I liked him so much before. But as I said, it will make reading what is to come somewhat easier!”

Ah, I see now.  I can understand where you are coming from so much too.  If a story is one I like, but one of the characters are driving me mad, I can put up with it to a point.  But a lot of times I will lose interest (depending on how big a role the characters plays in the story).  So I really do appreciate you sticking with this even if Celeb has become someone you don’t like.

I kind of like the idea of him getting to start from scratch in rebirth, (if that's what you mean) removing those memories from him because he just can't heal if he keeps them. 

Yes, that’s exactly what I mean :)  I plan to have him reborn as a child and experience a second childhood (with Curufin doing things right this time!).  Whether or not he will eventually re-gain his memories of his past life, I have yet to decide on. 

I do think a lot of what we are seeing here is reaping what Curufin sowed. The self doubt, the feeling of failure, Curufin planted those feelings in Celebrimbor years ago, passing on his own inadequacies. It's like those feelings have been handed down the generations all the way from Feanor himself whose problems with Fingolfin all came down to that.”

I do agree that it was Curufin’s issues that cause a lot (but far from all) of Celebrimbor’s.  We saw back before everyone died in the first age, how Celebrimbor was struggling and how much Curufin’s inability to love him openly hurt Celebrimbor. 

As for Feanor and Curufin’s relationship tho, I think it was less Feanor passing down his issues and more Curufin inheriting a personality very similar to Feanor’s own.  They both craved love, especially love that was given openly.  But Feanor gave Curufin this.  It wasn’t a lack of being loved by Feanor that caused Curufin problems, it was not being loved by everyone else –Caranthir, his wife, his mother.  He thought all of them didn’t love him and found something wanting him in, which in the end drew him all the closer to Feanor and made him more dependent on Feanor’s love.  But I wouldn’t say it was a problem with Feanor’s parenting that caused Curufin’s issues, rather Curufin being too born too much like Feanor. 

“But I love Feanor's sons....well most of them, (the twins are invisible and Curufin....he killed Finrod.) and because I love them everything that happened to them after can be laid at Feanor's door.”

I think we will have to agree to disagree about Feanor (I think we might have actually come to that conclusion before lol).

 “In your stories it's not the silmarils that consume Feanor, (although it IS them in canon)

I cannot agree about this, despite the Oath and everything that came after, because I will never forget what came right before news of Finwe’s death.  And that was the Valar asking Feanor if he would give them the Silmarils to break to re-make the Trees, and Feanor standing there thinking about it, considering it for what might have been weeks depending on how the news from the North came of Finwe’s death.  Feanor seriously considered destroying the Silmarils, even tho he believed it might kill him.  That’s selfless.  It wasn’t like anyone’s life was in danger if the Tree’s never came back.  Yet Feanor still considered sacrificing himself and loosing the Silmarils forever for the sake of at least his family and people, maybe even all of Valinor’s way of life.  So, I really do think it was Finwe’s death that destroyed him and what he most wanted vengeance for, not the theft of the Silmarils (I actually find the Oath’s wording strange because it is so outside what we had already known about Feanor’s character up to that point.  It makes me think its wording was plot motivated more than character, or else something we don’t know was going on (like Morgoth influencing his mind).

 

Thank you for discussing the story/these characters with me!  



Name: cheekybeak (Signed) · Date: June 01, 2017 7:07 · For: Chapter 32

Well I am glad that experiment ended in failure and it seems Celebrimbor maybe got an understanding of how wrong it all was. It felt like necromancy. He allowed himself to get too consumed with wanting something and lost his humanity along the way. A tendency he obviously inherited from Curufin, who put all his focus in to trying to grow Maedhros a hand but never actually bothered to ask Maedhros if he wanted one in the first place. 

Just one question. I assuming you are not subscribing to the "elves can control their procreation" theory. Because if they can you would presume they controlled egg release so they would not have a monthly cycle......right? 

Oh, and I have remembered something I should have asked in the last chapter. Why is Erestor there? Is this something I knew and have forgotten? Why is he not back in Lindon with Elrond? 

Oh, and one last thing. Is Annatar purposely trying to look like a cluster of random Feanorions? Or is Celebrimbors mind just playing tricks on him. It seems significant that he is constantly seeing members of his family in Annatar. 



Author's Response:

“Just one question. I assuming you are not subscribing to the "elves can control their procreation" theory. Because if they can you would presume they controlled egg release so they would not have a monthly cycle......right? 

You are right.  In this AU Elven women once had the power to control pregnancy, but that was in the youth of their race.  Galadriel still held onto it by sheer will-power, we saw here consciously choose to get pregnant with Gil-galad.  But Galadriel is uncommonly powerful.

“Oh, and I have remembered something I should have asked in the last chapter. Why is Erestor there? Is this something I knew and have forgotten? Why is he not back in Lindon with Elrond? 

I had to throw my mind back, I couldn’t remember at first.  What happened was Erestor was with Elrond in Lindon, but Elrond finally realized how much it was destroying Erestor to remain there, so he traveled with Erestor to seek out Celebrimbor.  Erestor stayed with the Feanorions to heal, and Elrond went back to Lindon.

“Oh, and one last thing. Is Annatar purposely trying to look like a cluster of random Feanorions? Or is Celebrimbors mind just playing tricks on him. It seems significant that he is constantly seeing members of his family in Annatar.”

It’s all Celebrimbor.  He is pretty messed up, and terribly lonely, and never really got over the magnitude of the loss.  The only way he handled losing them all was telling himself that it wasn’t forever, that he would get them back –thus his obsession with his mission.

 

 



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